I'm curious.
If I whitelisted someone who blacklisted me. What will happen?
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blacklisting trumps whitelisting, i tested it earlier.
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whoops. i didn't think that comment over very well.. ^^
"blacklisting takes precedence over whitelisting" xD
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or did you mean to say
blacklisting takes presidents over white-listing?
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The world will implode.
it's like dividing by zero
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what happens if an irresistible cannon hits an immovable post?
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Thanks for this. I would still love a feature where I can put a reason for blacklisting someone.
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Hmmm.. I cant find my own blacklist... Where to look?
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https://www.steamgifts.com/account/manage/blacklist for people you blacklisted
and
https://www.steamgifts.com/stats/personal/community for how many people blacklisted you.
Not sure which you wanted, so here are both :)
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Thank you, cg! this is a step in the right direction, but it would have been nice to know who blacklisted me in first place and there reason behind it, I think that all blacklisted should be reset and add reason box.
How ever I think wrong that there even a blacklisted in the first place on public giveaway and public groups giveaway now private and private group giveaway they are diff matter that where it should only be apply to no where else.
I'm sure every one here has there own opinion about.
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Again, I haven't had a chance to read the entire thread but a bit more of my thoughts:
I know this is more work but I'd say best way to enforce this would be that when unblacklisting someone you can't join any giveaways they created from the time of blacklisting until the time of unblacklisting. Note - this includes those that were created but didn't start yet.
This would make it so people won't (well they may try to) unblacklist someone to join a giveaway they see.
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I think it's a good change. So many people just blacklisting over nothing.
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I have the urge to click a really huge Thank You button, repeatedly. (^_^)
Awesome news, good job! ;)
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Question .
Do we get the same notification for the people that we have blacklisted but dont have us blacklisted , and people who have us blacklisted ?
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if you mean the stat counter, then no. you blacklisting somebody has no effect on how many blacklists you have as far as that stat # is concerned.
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No , im having a day of cause im kinda not feeling well , so im using the free time and im trying to clear my blacklist right now , but when i check if someone have me blacklisted it always says the same thing regardless if he does or does not have me there .
So i kinda need to remove people to see if its a mutual or not :p
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oh, no idea there. i think that's why many just cleared it to start over. sorry.
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nope, you have different notifications. One say you cannot enter because user have you balcklisted and other that you balcklisted user. See - I can be helpfull even to douches ;p
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Hum ... it reads so similar that i didnt even notice it .
You do not have permission to view this giveaway, since you have blacklisted the giveaway creator.
You do not have permission to view this giveaway, since you have been blacklisted by the giveaway creator.
Thank you o/
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If I whitelisted somebody and they blacklisted me, will I lose that WL?
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no, the wl still sticks, however the blacklist takes precedence and the whitelisting is essentially null and void.
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Welll....crap. Guess I need to clear my whitelist too.
I should have attached notes to more people and not just you.
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lol, i have that same feeling about notes.. i keep running into winners i've already reported and either they got suspended already, or i got them suspended and they won again. i need to start taking notes on suspension information.
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The one I'm currently using for notes only lets you use 16 characters max (including spaces).
What are you using for notes?
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i haven't really used it yet, but i just enabled ESGST's user notes feature.
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it looks like it has a lot larger max limit though. ^^
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lol, That's one way to test user notes. Complete Lyrics to the Fresh Prince Opening Theme.
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i have no idea why my animated gif creator does that. i don't personally have any visual glitches on my screen but it seems to render gifs with my background bleeding thru in tears like that very frequently.
Mint Linux 18.1 x64 Cinnamon kernel 4.4.0-78
Peek (Animated Gif Recorder)
proprietary nvidia gpu driver installed (381.22)
edit: added image of my BG, if you were curious on that too. xD
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no, the whitelist still would exist. there is no control over anybody elses options. but if you have someone blacklisted that has you whitelisted, you still won't see their GAs due to your blacklist. if you remove your blacklist, and wait the appropriate timeframe, the whitelist GAs would once again be visible & beneficial.
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oh! ok thanks!!
Also, if that person BL me, can I enter their GAs?
EDIT: I meant if that person BL me and I remove him from mine, can I join his GA?
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''If you blacklist a user, you will also not be able to enter their giveaways'' about time huh
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I love this change, I always thought it should be like this :)
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cg.. so will the message say something like " You can't view this member's giveaways because you have them on your blacklist" ????
Also, how about al comments section on blacklists.. that way we can write a reason we put someone on the blacklist.
No one sees it except the person who wrote the comment.
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Thank you for this update, I've been wishing for it for years! Finally I can stop having to rely on the Blacklist/Whitelist Indicator userscript to avoid accidentally entering blacklisted people's giveaways. <3
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Well have been meaning to go through my blacklist and remove some people for a while. Probably won't be more than a few though since my blacklist isn't that big and I tend not to blacklist those who contribute to the site.
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So, instead of forcing petty revenge blacklisters to actually do a tiny amount of work, it's now automated.
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Possibly the dumbest change ever.
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Nah, this is for the petty blacklisters who should give a second thought before they blacklist anyone :)
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lmao. No, it's about revenge. Nothing more. If BL were to be used only for 'serious' stuff, it would be a full bi-directional block of everything: posts, replies, threads and giveaways.
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You're talking about a completely different thing than we were, just saying ;)
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A little, maybe. But completly?
petty blacklisters who should give a second thought
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Use complete sentences because I have no idea what you intend to say.
hazelmeade said this makes the job of revenge-blacklisters (BL for BL) simpler, and I said that this will make anyone doing a blacklisting to re-think it because they deny giveaways from themselves as well. How does your "revenge" comes to this picture? Not to mention that revenge revenges something, yet you can blacklist people you never talked to. Where's the revenge in it? It's not a blocking option, never was... then why do you mix that into this as well?
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Since I primarily blacklist for exceptionally poor ratio, years since last GA, or people who enter public GAs but only do private ones (and often appear to be in small scamming groups), this doesn't make me rethink AT ALL. In fact I just BLed a bunch more.
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Yes, because when I talk about users in general then I was talking only about you. Why is everyone so angry in this topic, misinterpreting comments and attacking? -.-
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Perhaps you should rephrase things like "anyone doing a blacklisting", then, because it certainly seems to include me.
Or maybe you could try being less angry and eager to argue yourself.
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Says the guy who started the whole topic with complaining how revenge blacklist now automatic and oh the horror, they won't need to spend time with, that I should be less angry :)
Revenge blacklists are not that surprising that they exist, and logical in a "you don't give, I don't give way". But this change maybe will stop people blacklisting you because for your country or some other shit. And I repeat myself, if you take the general subject as a direct example of you, you have problems. And no, I won't change it. What's next time? I say "people like sunshine" and you charge in saying that I shouldn't say what you like or not? :D
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If you look at the comment below, then you can see he seemed to randomly blacklist me too, while entering in some pretty good giveaways. Plus, he was at the time on my whitelist as well, so he managed to enter in 2 or 3 high quality giveaways :D
Now, if he has a legit reason, then okay.
But it's just an overall issue. People want to take from others without having to lose out themselves.
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Well, that's kind of a false statement. You've got me on your blacklist yet I don't really qualify for it. (Unless a ratio of 1.9 or so is "exceptionally poor" :D)
Also, I barely make private giveaways.
Plus, the only small group I'm in is the same group that you're in, so that can't be it either.
I never blacklisted you back because I literally had no reason to blacklist you. Of course you also kept entering my giveaways and such, meaning that while you tried blocking me out, you also went for the giveaways that I made. Had your cake and ate it, essentially.
This update is made for people like you. People that say "I blacklist for extreme situations", while in reality they don't seem to do that and they just continue to take from those they've shunned.
Am I bothered that you blacklisted me? Well, I've just been interested in why you did it.
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I'm not going to comment on why I blacklisted any specific person, nor am I going to reconsider it. I trust my prior judgement.
But apparently you didn't read the word "primarily" in my post. At no point have I ever said that's the only reason I blacklist accounts.
I'll give a few other examples:
- scams (e.g. people who create GAs for free keys with false IDs, people who create AAA GAs advertising some group and then delete them after getting a lot of traffic, or things that smell like a CV trading group)
- rule violations (unless they've been exemplary in other ways)
- people who are extremely vile, rude, or argumentative (whether to me or anyone else; and I'm not going to debate what I include in this, but FTR it's not about petty revenge and your comment here wouldn't qualify)
And no, this update was made for you, obviously bitter that someone who BLed you entered your GA. (Do you think I even noticed? Maybe they should have changed that.) Have fun with it.
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... you just don't understand what this update is, huh?
I said that I literally couldn't give a single shit that you blacklisted me. I knew it and guess what, I didn't blacklist you. Why? Because I don't blacklist for random crap that I'd try and justify with false reasons.
You are entering in other people's giveaways even though you blacklist them. You want to take other people's stuff while secretly keeping your stuff to yourself. The most pathetic thing is that you don't even have the balls to tell people that you've blacklisted them. You're obviously just afraid they'll blacklist you back and maybe you can't take from those you've blacklisted.
I'm not bitter. I truly don't care. I barely have been blacklisted and those that I've got are from those people that blacklist me back because I told them. I personally am not a leech that just takes, takes and takes without any basic dignities. I don't need that.
But then again... maybe you truly think I am bitter. Maybe you're not only greedy and arrogant, you might also have an ego that's bloated like a dead body that's soaked in the water too long.
But this: "Do you think I even noticed? Maybe they should have changed that." - changed what? I knew that you blacklisted me. You were on my whitelist for a while and you even entered in my giveaways. I removed the whitelist once I found out, but never blacklisted you. I'm not that petty...
Must be an awfully stressful existence... hoping that those you try and screw over won't do the same to you... Well, at least your stress is gone now.
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If this isn't directed towards me, then I don't see the reason you're writing to me. If you want to get the attention of Hazelmeade, then this won't do it because only I will get the notification.
As to ratios, I do blacklist for that sometimes.
The users with 0 given and 100+ won aren't what you say they are. They can afford games. Even if they can't, then it's just the matter of greed.
Does a user need to get 100+ games for free? Nah, I don't think so.
There's nothing petty about it. It's actually the opposite. I personally think that people aren't "equally worth" of anything. It's a meritocracy. It's like the "take a coin, leave a coin" jars in some stores. While you can just take all the time and not give back, you're still a dick for abusing it.
But... "you don't have a job or family or anything better to do? This is very pathetic."?
This just shows that you, yourself, have nothing to do. It's one of the most cliché and untrue statements. If I had to, say, check 25 users, then it'd take me around 3 minutes.
Stop shaming people just because you find the way they spend their time.
It's like if I just went ahead and said "You're really pathetic. Don't you have life or something? Spending 68 hours on Far Cry 3 and 63 on Sleeping Dogs? Do some volunteer work instead. Be of use. Not pathetic like this."
Obviously I would say it really because... well, why the hell would I? I don't have a high opinion of me and how I spend my time.
I won't blacklist you. There's literally no reason to.
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Oh boy. You are really just going out of your way to take shit out of context.
Are you enjoying the idea that you knowingly misrepresented a quote to make yourself look like a victim?
My whole damn point was that you are judging people because they look through profiles and I changed the subject to turn the whole point against you.
I also said that I don't believe that it's actually the case, because I'm not a moron that judges people.
You're beyond frustrating.
Also, way to lie, buddy.
1,890h on record total.
8.6h of average gametime. That spells out that you've got more than enough free time....
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Just an advice for general life:
Don't talk about "how they dare to judge people" and then continue judging people because it makes you sound awful. You're doing exactly what you're despising in others, just in a different topic.
Not to mention that checking one's ratio and blacklisting takes about 5-10 seconds. Over X years. And now we're back at what I said in my first paragraph. You "only" spent 63 hours with a game in 5 years, yet someone spending *surely* less than 10 hours with something else is a waste of time. Or if you're fine spending 60+ hours something that you find worthy, then why others can't do with their free tiem whatever they want?
These double standards.because it only proves how stupid you are on this site. Make the world a better place and start using proper logic.
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+1
that's kinda what i was thinking... judging people while being anti-judgmental just doesn't fit well. also stating how people spend their time is a waste of time while spending all that time to complain about it doesn't look right either.
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I've given a bunch of games out before now to people who had me blacklisted. I obeyed the rules and did it but it wasn't a great deal of fun. It was one of the things that put me off making trains, etc. I don't really think it is petty not to want to give games to people who won't consider even letting you enter their giveaways - and I don't think it is a tiny amount of work to check every user on SG to see if you can enter their giveaways before making giveaways yourself.
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Well, if there's nothing wrong with revenge blacklisting, then I believe that logic extends precisely to things like blocking entire countries because a large fraction of the users from there make all their GAs region restricted for no reason, or blocking accounts that never do GAs, etc. If reciprocity is the issue, then there's nothing wrong with most of the other reasons for blacklisting, so why are we handwringing about it in the first place? (That's a rhetorical question. I know why, and I fully intend to keep blacklisting.)
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I'm not going to block entire countries because there aren't entire countries that block me - whatever a percentage of their users do I'm not going to hold against them as a nation and I may even be understanding of the issues that mean they have trouble making giveaways for me.
There is no 'precise logic' between blacklisting users that that are discriminating against me personally and blacklisting entire countries where a percentage of users may or may not exclude me depending on region locks and regional pricing and other issues that are decided outside of their control.
If accounts never make giveaways I can deal with that by not making giveways for level 0 users without any resort to blacklisting. Frankly I'd prefer more on-site giveaway options that meant I could deal with more issues without resorting to blacklisting or SGtools.
I've never blamed anybody for blacklisting me or claimed there is anything wrong with it - but I honestly don't understand what that has to do with reciprocity. Whether somebody was right or wrong to blacklist me, I'm still going to be pissy if they prevent me personally from entering giveaways but win mine.
None of this addresses issues in my comment like claiming it is a tiny amount of work to 'revenge blacklist' when clearly it isn't.
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+1 to all of this. Couldn't have said it better :)
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Yup, you hit the nail on the head. People will often try and find any reason to have their cake and eat it at the same time though :/
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Ah, it could have been a lot more concise but I'd had a few beers when I wrote that. Honestly though - I have no idea who would actually moan about 'petty revenge blacklisting' apart from overly entitled types who want to blacklist people but can't stand the thought they might miss out on winning a game. And yeah, there are people abusing regions, but anyone thinking about blocking whole countries would just be part of that problem...
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Yeah "revenge blacklist" is a funny reason to me too.
If they smacked someone, would they say that being hit back is just petty of them too? :D
Also, as to the post.. it doesn't really matter that you were drunk or it wasn't as concise as possible, it matters that you got your point across without leaving anything out. You pretty much made the ultimate argument against the whole "revenge blacklisting" argument.
As to the user themselves... there's a lot of hypocrisy, let's just say. He gave reasons to why he blacklists, he didn't have reasons. He switched the topic and called me one of the "revenge blacklisters", even though I never blacklisted him. He said I was bitter. But even if I wasn't too bitter, I'd still probably blacklist him, so it's pretty obvious that I'm less than bitter about that happening.
As I told him: "Must be an awfully stressful existence... hoping that those you try and screw over won't do the same to you... Well, at least your stress is gone now."
:)
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Hi SG, we just rolled out an update to the way blacklists work, and I wanted to create a quick announcement to explain the difference. Previously, if you blacklisted a user, they would not be able to enter your giveaways, or see them on the homepage. Now, there is one addition: If you blacklist a user, you will also not be able to enter their giveaways, or see them on the homepage.
There are two reasons for the change...
This might leave you wondering, is there anything preventing you from unblacklisting a user, entering their giveaways, and then blacklisting them again? Yes. When unblacklisting a user, there is a delay between one second and one
dayweek until you once again see their giveaways on the homepage, and have access to entering them. If you try to directly open their giveaways sooner, you will see an error, such as "You do not have permission to view this giveaway for another 35 minutes, since you previously blacklisted the giveaway creator.". The length of the delay is proportional to the amount of time you had the user blacklisted (i.e. if you blacklisted a user for 5 hours, you'll need to wait 5 hours after unblacklisting the user), up to the maximum of onedayweek.Comment has been collapsed.