I have no use for it. Therefore, for me, it is useless. What is so hard to comprehend? And how will this tool make people comment, exactly?
Its useful for people who care about meaningless copay pasted thanks. I dont see why we should make people comment. They will comment if they want and Im fine with it. I actually see some really good and entertaining comments this way, instead of forced "THANKS".
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and I never said it did. I said that it was useless for me. For others, it can be useful but I think there is no point,still.
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"Listen Braille, your stupid invention is useless, I can just read a normal book without any dimples..."
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You aren't everyone. You said it is useless, which literally means "it has no use." Something that has no use cannot be used by anyone. Therefore, you said that it is useless for everyone.
Anyway, I agree that it's silly to care about thank you comments.
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Doesn't matter whether you want them to comment or not, what does it matter? cg isn't going to grant you a reroll because a person didn't comment, so what's the point in knowing?
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I feel like saying "Thanks" every time I enter a giveaway is a huge waste, and potentially worse than nothing. If the creator says something like "say something other than thanks" or "what's your favourite [whatever]", I'll comment, or if there's an interesting discussion that I have something to contribute to.
But if the purpose of tools and attitudes like this is to look at users' comment counts and go "wow what a great steamgifter" then bah.
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I've always viewed the gift comments as silly. I mean if I want it's pretty simple to write a script that just auto posts thanks for any giveaway I've entered. I could even write a couple different thanks comments and just have it post them randomly so it's not always exactly the same. Wouldn't look wierd at all either as most people just randomly cycle through 2-5 comments.
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Everyone I know says thank you when they receive a gift.
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That exactly. I'm of those who don't comment often, especially not mindless thanks, but if I do win, it'll be a rain of sincere thanks to the gifter. I'm probably not the only one doing that either...
It's great that some work has been put into that app, but I think it won't be very useful or that very very few will use it. I mean, asking for original comments, ok, but then again... That's part of what groups are for, no?
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You'll be surprised the amount of people who won't thank the person even when they've won, take that from a contributor. I personally always thank a person's giveaway that I'm entering, there's a chance I can win and I think they should be thanked for putting their money forward.
It may not be mandatory but I think it's descent to respect those that are almost always giving you the chance to win something out of the kindness of their hearts. I usually try to add a little bit more productive messages than "thanks" however, usually my feelings towards the game and why I want it followed up by a thank you.
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I agree on your first point. Out of the 20+ games i have given, 1 winner contacted me after to say thanks, the rest never commented.
For my part, as can be seen on my profile, i have not said thanks on all the giveaways i have entered for one reason: to begin with i commented on every single giveaway i entered, personalized responses all. After writing 200 or so comments like that over the course of two weeks, comments i wrote to try and spark debate or conversation, i realized nothing ever came of it. No debates were sparked.
I love getting thank you's, especially when they are personal and referance the details of the giveaway or. The game, but i am certainly not going to demand thank you's, that is not why i give games away, i do it for the joy of giving. :)
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When you receive a gift sure...for simply entering? Who cares.
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I think of it as one of those special things that separates us from other creatures.
You can control every living breathing creature using food, but no every man will bent to this.
Only human does this things just because, they somehow feel it needs to be done, regardless to its purpose!
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I don't comment much, because I prefer to at least say a little something along with a thanks if I do instead of this generic "Thanks" that everyone does when they enter ten giveaways in under five minutes. And, you're right, they say it when they receive the gift. Entering a giveaway does not mean you have received the gift. It means you have entered for the opportunity to be chosen at random from an entry pool of hundreds or thousands. When you enter a sweepstakes for a company, most don't then personally email the company and say, "Hey, thanks for the sweepstakes" (that I know of) or when you get a lottery ticket, you go contact the lottery authority and thank them every time you pick up a ticket. Sure, it is used in common practice/courtesy for normal everyday exchanges, but it just seems so forced, generic, and empty on this site when people just copy+paste "thx" over and over. Sure, it's a nice gesture, but when a comment looks like no effort or feeling was put into it whatsoever, it's just that.
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Exactly. They say thank you when they receive a gift. It's different than grouping all of them into a room, tell them "Next Christmas I'll give one of you a gift" and wait for all of them to personally say thanks to you in advance. Of course, if you did there could be some people who would do that anyway, probably saying even more than just "thanks".
As a lot of people will probably point out, I don't have a lot of comments, expecially compared to the giveaways entered, and yes that's because I didn't spam "thanks" in all of them. This doesn't mean I never commented on them, if I had something more to say, I did so. But for every game (or dlc) I won, I personally thanked the gifter on steam or by mail because I really meant it, and I didn't just say "WHERE IZ MAH KEY NEEDZ TO GRIND KTHXBYE!!1"..
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Yes they certainly do. They say thanks when they RECEIVE a gift. And I say thanks when I receive a game. However, when an office has a Secret Santa? Nobody goes around and personally thanks every single person in the office because there was a chance they could have gotten a gift from any one of them. They just thank the person they received the gift from.
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I even say thank you to those entries that I am not entering, just because either its a great game or I have found the attitude very nice!
Why everyone is so against it? The world is a rotten place already, why celebrate it?
Some people are even bashing Sxcnn for this? why? Just because he put his time and skill to use to make something to find out who are really there to have a couple more seconds to say Thank you?
I don't know, I always try to give as much as I can, as I have had from FOSS or somewhat similar community. But, I rarely find someone who is giving anything significant wholeheartedly in return, let alone, its simple thank you.
Maybe when you create something for free, something for good and people bash you for doing so, then you will understand.
Sorry, my whole comment is not for you, but I really didn't wanted to read the whole thread to find a sweet spot. Its very demoralizing.
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Because this promotes mindless spam with people saying thanks without meaning it.
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I appreciate what you did. Programming is great when you find a challenge to beat and you enjoy it :) But how about creating a browser extension that posts "thanks" whenever I click "Enter". LOL That'd be more useful :D
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Precisely. I don't think any of us here who have shown opposition to the spam of "thanks" mean that we don't enjoy, understand, or encourage meaningful gratitude. But what I've seen from my time here is that on every giveaway, it's just spammed. You can just tell/feel that it's spammed for the sake of "seeming polite" and that the comments lack any feeling and are merely adhering to some unspoken guideline of forced gratitude. Perhaps if 2,000 people didn't all say "thx" we would see it a bit different. I mean, they're so damn grateful yet they can't be bothered to even include anything else with their one word? They exert the least amount of effort (about a little over a second on a keyboard or less with pasting) and it really makes it seem they do so because "they have to."
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I like your comment :)
I don't ask people to write something (or spam thanks) on my giveaways, or I've some memories problems if I did it before :D
But I've see some giveaway where the gifter want the entrants post something, and with many entries it can take time to verify everyone …
I just want to say that I'm not here to divide the community, I had free time, I made this, people can use it if they want ;)
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Only VERY SMALL percent of people saying "Thanks" do this because they REALLY mean it. Majority does that in a mindless way.
For those saying that they just want to thank someone who's putting his own money...
1) quite a bunch of those Gifters aquire those games in not_so_cool_way - They used to buy a lot Humble Bundles for 0.01 and put it here. Were they sa awesome in your eyes also? Did they do more good or bad rippiong of sincere developers?
2) another quite an amount of people is not even "putting their own money into it" but they are profiting from it. They scam and ripoff various sites (with multiple e-mail adressesses) to aquire games without spending a single penny on it, then they pos it here and get +30 Contribution. All of this just to get higher in the Contribution ladder to be able win gifts with fewer entries.
3) Some saying that we should thank the guy while we entry because he gives us a chance. If we would follow up that lead we should say "Thank You" in EVERY SINGLE giveaway, despite us entering it or not, because gift is a gift, chance is a chance and our entry has nothing to do with it.
And I know people who does this more than good, so don't tell me those are unreal examples.
That's why I agree with it being useless.
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And I'm sure you will be one of the first to use it, for filtering those who didn't comment anything just to denounce them ;)
I think it's a nice idea for those who actually want to read the comments of their own giveaway, just because they are interested in them (I read them, because some people write such nice things and this makes me happy) and I don't think you should call something useless, when one person is creative and puts some effort into it. Some people might use it :)
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Nah, I dont mind people not commenting, why the hell would I denounce them?lol
Also, its not a nice idea for those who actually want to read the comments... because this is for seeing people who didnt post. If you want to read the comments to yur giveaway, then go to your giveaway and read them. I dont see where this script will help you there.
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you should really stop being so rude on this forum attacking anyone who doesn't like what the op made.
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Its still a pretty jackass move blacklisting people because they didnt comment.
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They aren't gifters. Gifters just give, period. At best, they are traders (trading games for meaningless comments).
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I might understand the intentions of your post, but I just can't tolerate the way you expressed it.
Quite a few of those who thank the gifter do it with good intentions in mind (and at least put some effort instead of spamming the "Enter to Win!" button). Don't underestimate the good will of others; all those comments aren't necessarily "meaningless".
Also if receiving a "thank you" comment is considered a trade for a gifter, then that would probably be the worst bargain ever conceived by man.
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If I give, then I give, period.
People have the right to expect something in return, but if they do, then they forfeit the right to think as highly of themselves as they do (and they sure as hell do thing too highly of themselves).
Spamming thanks is just as meaningless, and becomes even more meaningless when the "gifter" demands it. If you demand thanks in your giveaway, you will not be shown gratitude, you will just be fooling yourself, and won't even be able to see those who are truly grateful any more.
In the end, yeah, every person has the right to express their opinion on the matter, but guess what, so do I!
I think that people who gift just so they could see hundred of people thanking them, and/or people who gift and DEMAND people thanking them have at best emotional and at worst psychological issues.
They also aren't the pillars of this community and actually make the place worse to exist in.
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You're definitely entitled to an opinion, of course, and this last post you wrote clarifies how I misunderstood your previous post.
I believe that not thanking someone is very rude, but it's true that it must be spontaneous and heartfelt in order for it to cherish any form of value. Demanding gratitude will only bring out the worst kind.
My only complaint is that thanking someone doesn't come naturally to a good number of users here. Awkward situations happen where the gifter feels like he's been used, like an idiot, and doesn't feel inclined to gift anymore because of that one greedy little prick. That's just wrong, and all those who continue to take without thanking should at least feel ashamed about it.
This is my opinion, of course.
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I for one and waiting on the tool where it shows people that gave useless comments like "thanks" so people can banlist them. Its impossible to keep anyone happy in this community.
People bitch about commenting to much.
People bitch about not commenting enough.
People bitch about posting thanks.
People bitch about NOT posting thanks.
Its fucking pointless.
If its an issue, and gifters want thanks posted in comments, please say so. Expecting people to know is just insane. Granted, its your giveaway/group but still.
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I can add an option to sort people who says useless comment like "thanks" or others predefined string.
For the moment I've do this tool because: I've free time and some gifters put in there descriptions that they want a comment. That's all :)
It's not an obligation to use it ;)
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Never said it was an obligation, nor did I think it was mainly because your not connected with Sgifts anyway.
My point was though, that people complain about anything and everything and the way I see it, its tearing this site down. IMO, the site was made to spread generosity and cheer. For people with extra money, goodwill, and what have you to brighten the lives of a few people that maybe couldnt get that game they wanted for months.
Granted, gifters spent their time/money to get a game to gift, and I certainly wont dictate what they can or cant do with it, but it just seems anyone will find an excuse to divide an already divided community.
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I know it's not an obligation :) But it can be an interesting improvement ;)
I just made this because some people want a comment and since they have many participants it can help them.
It's just a tool, I'm not here to divide the community :)
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Remember to take into account that some "predefined strings" exist simply because the gifter didn't add anything into the description, leaving the entrants clueless as to the motivations of the gifter. All that said entrant can do then is thank the gifter with little else to add.
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I want to say by "predefined strings" a list of things the creator of the giveaway don't want to see, I will not make a list myself ;)
Is not an obligation to spam "Thanks", it's just that some people want a little something write on their gift page.
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I always try to add something that sets my comments apart from the rest, but you can imagine how hard it is to thank 1,613 gifters in an special and significant way without repeating one's self. :)
The same probably applies to the others who constantly thank the gifters.
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Even in those 1,613 giveaways you've entered, if you made just one string that was unique to each game you enter for, you'd be one hell of a unique comment in every giveaway. So, even repeating yourself every time you enter for the same game, you're already way ahead of the pack. Now, add some variation every twenty times you enter for that game and you're miles ahead. Sure, it's quite possible there may not be a unique comment for every single giveaway when people have entered hundreds or thousands, but at least an attempt at straying from the empty "thanks" would be a breath of fresh air, I think.
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So true, but many gifters don't write anything on theirs description, some want people to name their favorite RPG, or movie ...
It's something this tool can do for the moment I only sort people who enter and don't comment, but I can add an option to filter who says simply "Thanks" or nothing (even when the description ask for your favorite RPG) and show only others input :)
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Or, as someone else mentioned in this thread, allow for a filter of only showing comments that exceed a certain number of characters (hopefully people don't reply with their favorite RPG in acronyms or the title is truly that tiny, although I don't think many RPGs have small titles).
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1867 entries, 1112 comments, you'd be banned from 700+ giveaways, you like that?
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Yup, this is the reason I don't comment thanks that often. I need some sort of "material" to construct an entertaining comment to the contributor to show my gratitude. If there is no description written or it is just plain, then I usually don't comment.
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I used the lottery example higher in the post before I saw your comment. I applaud my own example being used before me. :)
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This is the typical example used by those who don't thank because they think it's too mainstream or simply because they're too lazy to do even the most basic of well-mannered gestures.
First of all, if the raffle/lottery was made for charity then you'd definitely see a "thank you" speech before it'd start.
Secondly, unlike a lottery that we paid money for, these giveaways are the equivalent of a charity. Most of these generous gifters are giving us the chance to win a game. Without them you wouldn't even have that chance and that's why people thank them.
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Well, 94% of the CA lottery goes back to public education, retailer expenses, and prize winnings. Also, while the percentages are, of course, different, they are very similar: $1 to potentially win millions or $0 to win something that will total a max of $500, while almost always being a fraction of that.
I'm definitely not too lazy to type thanks as, if you count up all the characters without spaces I've typed in this post throughout all my comments (also not including this one here), I'd have the ability to say "thanks" approximately 345 times. I haven't even entered that many giveaways yet. Now, what if I went with just "thx?" ~691 of them. The effort is so minimal to type those things. I just feel like merely adding that is just adding to what generally amounts to as spam.
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My comment wasn't directly implied at you in particular but at those who have this mindset. It's just that, "thanks"-addons aside, even a basic comment distinguishes effort from no effort at all, imo.
I personally find it sad when I find a giveaway with 100+ entries and <10 comments. In that case more than 90 people had the time to enter the giveaway but couldn't be arsed to say thanks. I'm doubtful that all of those 90 people were "too busy".
I'm not implying that you're part of those people, of course, but I've already argued with other users on this site who would usually pull the "lottery"-card on me, and every time I'd think of that 10-comment giveaway.
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I definitely do understand where you're coming from, it'd just definitely be nice to see some variation and a bit more effort. Some effort is certainly much more effort than no effort, but it's still too minimal to be considered such a strong amount of gratitude that those who spam "thanks" would have everyone believe.
I mean, I gave away some silly extra copy of an Indie Gala bundle the other day and it had 334 entries and 22 comments. 21 comments said a variation of "thanks" only. The only comment I actually paused at? "Great avatar." Other than that, they just felt like pointless comments to me. Obviously everyone has different desires and likes/dislikes, though. I, for one, don't care for it and would much rather have 1,000 entries and 5 thought-out comments instead of 200 entries and 200 "thanks."
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I'm glad our conversation didn't get too heated! Good exchange here. I added you on Steam, so maybe you'll break your 12-day hiatus.
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The stupidity of some people truly amazes me. What purpose does this serve? Seriously.
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Probably only really useful for group/private giveaways.
But is pretty cool still.
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... I honestly do not see the point in this, I don't thank in the giveaway unless I win, it's not like they even read 10 pages of thanks
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If I recall correctly people using an App(could be wrong on what exactly they use) CAN'T comment on a giveaway... so this would be pretty discriminatory towards them, don't you think? :P
It's nice that you used some of your free time to make it and all, but you could have tried making something a bit more... useful... and hopefully something that doesn't support robotizing the populace into mindlessly spamming "Thank you" everywhere.
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The problem is sensitive people assume there are strings attached. The reason many people gift is because it benefits them in the long run as they are able to enter contributor giveaways. I don't know what the philosophy of steamgifts is as I'm a fairly new user, but I am assuming it is a site for giving because we want to out of our own goodness. Ironically, the system is set up for many users to benefit themselves by contributing.
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I'm 50-50 on this, i have no use for it but i guess there are some people out there that take commenting on giveaways too seriously.
I always expect the winner to say something, if he didn't i'll personally add him and expect to see a thanks in return, then i delete them.
Personally i only say thanks after i win, be it via steam or steamgifts or even email, i always thank people when i see i win something, i don't bother posting spam comments saying thanks on every freaking entry i make, that's stupid and whoever supports that should be burried with their heads on the mud, see if something better will crop.
There are few occassions which get a comment or two, it all depends on how i got there in the first place, or what i see in the comments/description.
Only way i could see myself using this is if i was to force people to comment to enter my giveaways, but i don't, all i want is a thanks from the winner, whoever it is.
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The last week I've created a tool which gives you the names of the guys that didn't comment on your giveaway.
The tool works for all the giveaways except the group ones.
At the moment, it is pretty ugly(plain text), but the next week I'm going to create a GUI for it. Link: SG-Comments - BETA (Change the name since there are many confusions but it's still code name)
Your giveaway's url is not saved so don’t be afraid to test it on your private giveaways.
If you want you can launch it at the end before sending the gift, this way you'll know if the winner has commented.
Things to do:
Bug reports and suggestions should come to me, you can e-mail them from the site.
Have fun ;)
The name can change, it's a code name :)
Some clarifications:
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