Capitalization is a waste of time
Bump for the hero Gotham doesn't deserve: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/HIrCO/batman-the-telltale-series
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i get the point of the thread, i agree with it and have nothing to say that hasn't been said before. but i enjoy the original "castle of illusion" on genesis, so... here's a bump.
also capitalization, capitalism, captain planet... they all suck.
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Yeah, this is definitely a problem in society.
For the most part I've never had to pay attention to it, but I know it's prevalent because I know many women who've complained about it.
To be honest, I, as a guy, can't imagine standing somewhere and screaming at a woman, even to compliment her if I don't know, knowing it will offend them. It's just such a random thing I can't wrap my head around. Do the guys really expect that it's going to work somehow and the woman will fall madly in love and live happily ever after? But, then again, half the stuff other guys do bemuse me and I find idiotic.
If there's a type of correlation to wealth, status, IQ, or something that it can be traced to, I'd like to know. It makes no sense for it to exist.
I would've been happy to read and silently agree while entering GAs, but the issue has become rampant in the last year or so, at least more publicly.
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i don't know if it's getting worse, but i'm more aware and notice it all the time. ^^
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I'm reminded of a skit years ago from Jerry Seinfeld on catcalling. Just goes to show how stupid it is.
The fact that my fiance (and all other women) have to contend with it daily now, makes me cringe.
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Bump!
I don't do this today, won't tomorrow, and never have done this in the past to begin with, and I personally don't like hearing it even if it's directed at others. I guess the whole issue leads to a deeper one that's really the problem: Why are so many people today morally and spiritually bankrupt on so many levels? Where did the love, compassion, empathy, character, integrity, honest, etc. go? This would not be a big issue if the deeper scars could heal.
In many issues like this, the outer action is simply the result of bad fruit grown and harvested from the bad seeds. These people have to really work hard and tend that bad fruit... I mean, it isn't easy living on the other side! So... why not spend that same amount of effort trying to become a better person instead? I think someone must tend their inner garden and get rid of those bad and unwanted things beneath the surface issue before any real improvements can be made... I sure don't want any weeds in my garden if I can help it! They get out of control fast, and kill and poison my good crops!
My question for this and a lot of other behaviors of what I consider falling under "mental illness" would be why people are so reluctant to get help for issues they could strengthen... and stay in denial about being perfect and not appearing weak because their ego(d) wins out in the form of pride or fear. The false self is very scared of the true self for some reason, but it seems counter-productive to what evolution is all about, so it boggles my mind to no end thinking on these sorts of things.
Even a little therapy for the average person with average issues could potentially go a long way. People would be surprised at how little they might know themselves on a more true self level of higher consciousness. Even good people lose touch or focus on the path they really want to lead deep down. Main issue is society itself has failed all of us. I get upset seeing a lot of crap that is "acceptable" enough for people... even when they are uncomfortable about it, to not do anything - picking and choosing what issues they think are "politically correct" while ignoring others that maybe could use as much or more attention. Probably just that most people are out of touch today - it is apparent just looking at the state of the dying global empire and who is (or appears to be, but really probably actually isn't) running the show... or whatever you want to call it. Figureheads... and their... figureheadery.
Honestly, the lack of try, and the denial of being mental... This is the problem on an individual level. Can't force a stubborn idiot (like myself, for instance; I am perfect already and received my certification/diploma already) to realize they have problems. I feel extremely bad for the perpetrators as well, since there is obviously something not right with them to decide they can go around engaging in this unacceptable behavior. Usually they are deeply lonely or upset with themselves in some way, so it comes out in other ways, this being one of many outlets.
Maybe someday they will reach an epiphany in life, and get promoted to a new level of healthy and a higher purpose of life to strive for.
We should always aim higher as individuals and as governing bodies, rather than settle for mediocrity. Unfortunately this is not the case today where I am at least, especially on human rights issues where others are victimized. Here, we just blame North Korea for it all, or Iran, or somebody else that has nothing to do with the USA. Attacking others that are weaker makes bullies feel stronger, so that's what bullies keep doing as long as they are not held accountable. Only take. No give.
Let us pray for no more prey!
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thanks for the insight!
i think the main issue with this is the lack of empathy people have towards others. even if they don't like being harassed or their family/friends being targeted, their selfish nature just makes them not feel any guilt and enjoy it. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
it's either that or they have some kind of mental illness. if that's the case, hopefully some miracle cure will be invented and they can take some "respect pills" to live in harmony with the rest of us.
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"Buried deep within you, beneath all the years of pain and anger, there is something that has never been nurtured: the potential to make yourself a better person. And that is what it is to be human. To make yourself more than you are. Oh, yes β I know you. There was a time you looked at the stars and dreamed of what might be."-
Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) story by John Logan, Rick Berman and Brent Spiner; On dreaming about a better life
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Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)
We don't talk about... that.
Seriously though, I forgot about most of the film (on purpose) but that is admittedly a good line. Too bad TNG had to end this way. To absent friends, indeed. But yeah. Are you enjoying Star Trek Discovery, btw?
Yep, I'll take any excuse to bump this thread.
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Yeah the movie wasn't their best effort but it's still better than 90% of Voyager, Enterprise, and 100% better than JJ-trek.
I haven't been watching Discovery, the pilot just confirmed my worst criticisms of "nu-trek" thinking.
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I skipped Enterprise entirely. Wonder if I missed anything. And don't get me started on JJ-Trek.
I've found there's a lot to be desired with Discovery so far, to say the least. But it does pick up a bit after the hard to stomach two-part opener. There's a spark or two of potential there, I'm not writing it off yet.
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Bump for this ! Too much troll thread toward this one, let them sink and push this one to the top !
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yes, this needs more bumps and cakes β€οΈοΈ
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Bump and thank you for making this thread, sadly it's still needed.
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My problem with this is that street harassment appears to be completely subjective. For some people, simply greeting them or trying to have a conversation with them or complimenting them is harassment.
While I don't think I would ever compliment a stranger, because that feels a little weird to me, I often say "hello" and "good morning" to them and we often have nice conversations about different topics - some of the times very insightful conversations. I don't see how that would be harassment at all.
I think there's a big difference between an aggressive/non-polite approach by someone and a non-aggressive/polite approach. In my opinion, if someone approaches you the latter way, it only turns into harassment if you refuse the interaction and they persist.
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How does being a man make the actions of others your problem? You/I have no control over what others do. There's no need to feel guilt unless you actually do something wrong.
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I think Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. eloquently explained why that line of reasoning is bullshit:
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
Even if you're not doing racist/sexist things yourself, if you're aware of the problem and you're not working to dismantle it by using your power and position to make things better for others who are suffering from it, you are part of the problem. You do have some degree of control, through public condemnation, protest, voting, raising awareness, and the like. And if you're aware of the problem and you're not doing those things, you're complicit. Period.
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So it is my fault cancer kills people because I am not actively trying to stop it despite the fact that that's not within my capability?
It is my fault people starve because I am not trying to stop it despite that I have $12 to my name and that's going to have to fund all of my food from today to Sunday?
It is my fault people get harassed on the street because I am not actively trying to stop it despite the fact I AVOID people IRL because they scare the ever-living crap out of me?
Your mentality pushes all the blame of something onto people that can do nothing instead of the people that do wrong. The most power /I/ have to do anything is to vote in an every two year election for a politician that 50% of the USA will agree will help and 50% will disagree and then no matter what, with your mentality, even /I/ am always to blame for street harassment even though there's literally nothing I can do that anybody can agree on to help.
To end slavery we had to end /slavery/, Not guilt trip all the non-slave owners into taking the blame for the slave owners. You need to change the actions of the perpetrators. Not the innocent ones.
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It's wildly uncharitable to think my claims cover things that are impossible for you. Obviously 'ought' implies 'can'--I would have thought we were both assuming that, but apparently it has to be stated explicitly. No one person is guilty of not having singled-handedly cured cancer (or, better, malaria, which it is clearly within our power to eliminate). But they are responsible for not doing what they can. If you literally have only enough money to feed yourself, then (again, obviously, I thought it went without stating) you aren't responsible for letting others starve. But if you lots of extra resources (as most people in affluent countries do), and you decide to spend that on frivolities (e.g., pumpkin spice lattes) instead of donating to high-impact living-saving charities, then you are responsible for the bad things you allowed to happen that it was within your power to prevent.
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Why do you have a computer and pay for Internet and buy games? Those are all frivolities and you could be spending all that money to help someone who is starving out there. All that money you spent for your 3569 sent games could have saved thousands of starving lives around the world, so does that make you responsible for their deaths? Lol that's the most pathetic argument I've ever seen, no one is responsible for all the bad things that happen in the world. Some people try their best to help, but in the end we have to live our own lives.
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All that money you spent for your 3569 sent games could have saved thousands of starving lives around the world
That's precisely where it went! 100% of my Humble Bundle purchases go to the Against Malaria Foundation.
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So selfish. You surely are to blame for everyone who dies of starvation in the world while you focus on Malaria. The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
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You have a pretty short-term mindset if you think focusing on starvation is the best way to maximize quality-adjusted life-years. If birth control saved more people in the long-run than famine relief, it would be immoral not to provide birth control (assuming limited resources that don't allow you to do both). To think otherwise is ultimately a harmful form of short-term thinking.
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Ok but you're getting off topic as to what I was even responding to. (Nevermind the fact that you're creating exceptions AGAINST things you previously wrote, which I don't quite understand. Why state something so firmly and "as truth" if you're going to, in your next post, state that "Unless you're in this situation. Then 'everyone' does not apply to you.")
You were blaming all MEN for this problem. You said it was a men's problem. That is what I was discouraging. Frankly at the end of the day if someone that I'll never meet wants to blame ME for whatever problems they want then it doesn't really matter unless they go full hitler and kill me for it. Seeing as that's highly unlikely, the main thing that bothered me was the action he took by stating quoting someone stating that "sexual harassment and assault" is a "Men's problem". Naturally I am a man. I was born as one. That does not make me, you, or anyone else somehow born with the urge to sexually harass and assault people. That's a cultural/behavioral problem revolving around specific people, not "everyone" of any demographic.
People that do not adhere to a culture that promotes behavior like this are entirely innocent, and your mentality that some rich guy who believes sexual assault is the despicable being at FAULT for other people sexually assaulting people because he didn't drop his fortune on trying to combat it will accomplish only 2 things.
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The people you blame will care less about the problem and feel like likely to help. If you don't do something and someone blames you for it, let's be honest. How likely are you actually to want to help fix it? People like to VOLUNTEER to help. When you try to guilt-trip/force people to do things they naturally do the OPPOSITE.
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You create a new mentality/culture where not blaming perpetrators becomes accepted. (Similar to how all "white" people are normally blamed for islamic terrorism by left-wing voters, and how all left-wing voters are blamed for communist riots by right-wingers even though they're done by organizations like antifa) That is not ok. That is harmful to trying to solve the problem and just creates more hatred and in the end, more problems. It doesn't help anyone. It just hurts people.
I don't care if /I/ don't have the power to do anything or if you blame me or not. I care that you're propagating a mentality that will only HURT the cause of this thread. People very commonly become what you tell them they are. "Bad kids" become bad people. "Good kids" become better. "Dirty disgusting criminals" become repeat offenders. "People at fault for Sexual harassment/Assault" even if they didn't do anything? Guess what they're very likely to become if people start parading that type of mentality? Nothing any of us want to see.
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I am sorry if you confuse empathy with guilt. Let me post the definition for you:
emΒ·paΒ·thy
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noun
noun: empathy
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Empathy is not related to guilt at all. No one said anything about empathy. What are you going on about?
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trevor noah and michelle wolf, always awesome π
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It's a human problem. What about all the actresses that knew about Harvey and continued to work with him/never spoke out about it? They get a pass because they're women? The double standards in our society and people like you are the reason why things will never get better. When you're ready to point the finger at the problem and not at a specific group of people we can talk.
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Exactly my thoughts. You need to deal with the problem. Not a completely unrelated group of people. Calling a dual-sex problem a "Men's issue" is probably the most sexist thing I have seen in this entire thread and it really defeats the purpose of the thread. Scapegoating doesn't help anybody. In the context of WWII, it just gets a lot of people hurt.
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Because people in vulnerable positions can speak out against powerful individuals in their industry without fear of reprisal, right? Or without fear of people like you doubting their testimony or criticizing them for not speaking out sooner, right? And traumatic experiences are always easy to tell the world about, right? And no one like you would ever find it appropriate to publicly blame the victim instead of the victimizer, right? It couldn't be that in fact the reactions of people like you are part of the problem, right? Blaming the victims of a serial harasser in a position of power--very classy, rafa.
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Because people in vulnerable positions can speak out against powerful individuals in their industry without fear of reprisal, right?
Only women can be in vulnerable positions?
Or without fear of people like you doubting their testimony or criticizing them for not speaking out sooner, right?
What the fuck do you mean by "people like me"? Where did I ever state that I doubt their testimony and where did I ever criticize them for not speaking out sooner? You have serious reading problems. I criticized those who WERE NOT VICTIMS, BUT KNEW ABOUT IT AND DID NOT SPEAK OUT, MEN AND WOMEN.
And traumatic experiences are always easy to tell the world about, right?
Again, where the fuck did I say that?
And no one like you would ever find it appropriate to publicly blame the victim instead of the victimizer, right?
For fuck's sake, where did I ever blame the victim instead of the victimizer? I was talking about the women who WERE NOT harassed by Harvey, but KNEW ABOUT IT (this was an open secret in Hollywood, EVERYONE KNEW) and continued to work with him/never said anything, JUST LIKE SOME MEN DID. Why do they get a pass when the men are criticized? For the millionth time, I'm not talking about the victims, I can't even imagine how traumatic an experience like that would be to criticize them for not speaking out sooner. But those who did not have that experience and kept quiet despite knowing that it was going on, they should be criticized, men and women, not just men.
It couldn't be that in fact the reactions of people like you are part of the problem, right?
No, it couldn't. My reaction isn't to generalize the problem and blame men for it.
Blaming the victims of a serial harasser in a position of power--very classy, rafa.
Putting words in peoples' mouths - very classy, va3victis.
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Some people just cannot understand why others would choose to stay in reality, it seems. You could say 2 words and they can turn it into an essay about something you never even thought of. That's typically all I get talking to people who say some of these outrageous things such as blaming half of the world for the actions of a small percentage.
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I don't know why I even bother continuing a conversation with these people. It's not just that, but it's like they completely ignore any arguments you present.
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I feel you. They ignore every word and put their own words in. Typically illogical words that they WANT you to say in place of logical things you can quote yourself saying.
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Bump.
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Saying you're not being misanthropic does not mean you can follow it up by being a misanthrope. You are the biggest attention whore I think I've literally ever seen on the internet. If anyone believes anything you say then they'll believe anything.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not being offensive, so its ok.
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You gave your fair share about attention whoring back in the day and now as well, only coming to a threat to insult people. Life got boring?
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Let's keep the drama out and the thread as civil as possible.
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Posting the qualifier "this is not..." does not excuse the fact that you have been.
People somewhat missed that point huh, everyone gets mad that I'm calling her on yet another load of bullshit but no ones mad that this entire thing is a sexist rant based in total nonsense? Do women get sexually abused? Yes. Should I feel guilty about that? No. No where in the prompts and posts is it about sexual abuse in general. Its all women this, women that. How's about some equality?
You go from nice to dick almost every encounter and IDGAF what anyone on here thinks about me tbh, I tried being nice, I turned the other cheek, but the same 5-6 people still get away with murder saying nasty shit to people, so fuck them, if they can't take it without the squad coming out then they should stfu.
If you can't take an opinion without creating a sarcastic thread every single time you want a sulk then fine, you'll get a sarcastic response.
Post a controversial topic, get controversial responses.
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Congratulations, your logical fallacy is: AD HOMINEM!
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dont worry arguing with those ppl in here, only some whiteknights that give her the asked attention in hopes that they achieve female attention for the first time in their life
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Or just had fucking enough of Mully and Ally going after eachother, and can't shut up and let the other one be in peace, silence and faaaar from the other.
Also, why defending someone who openly harasses someone else? Hoping to achive male attention finally? :D
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i dont know about your ppls SG drama, because i have a life outside of the internet. i dont know any person u mentioned. but i know that for todays liberals and progressives if u disagree its harassment, as u showed openly. this person u guys are defending all over this thread is leaking of racism and bigotry, yet accusing everyone who disagrees with her of being so. she states that every man is harrassing women in the streets, she even went as far as to say harassing women is NATURAL BEHAVIOR OF MEN. so she states that they are not isolated happenings and it affects her life so hard she wants to make the world a better place through a thread on a steam-key-giveaway site??? if u ppl cant smell that this whole thread is just about her boosting her ego by letting u thirsty ppl know that ppl are catcalling her (if it is true anyways) i wont help you. its just sad to see that ppl disagreeing with her way of adressing the opposite gender are getting temp banned while ppl like steffke start insulting other ppls girlfriends and are okay because they share the same views. and sure u will say now "u get banned for foul language" ye true but ive seen ppl here insulting the bad bad men that disagree openly very harsh and nothing happens. i just want u ppl to stop trying to turn SG into a leftwing-transgender-feminazi safespace. LETS JUST KEEP YOUR POLITICS AND IDEOLOGIES OUT OF THIS VIDEO GAME BOARD
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"but i know that for todays liberals and progressives"
So much for leaving politics and ideologies out of this board.
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i just cant even bother to facepalm at u ppl anymore. i am not the one that created this political/ideological thread. therefore how can a reply to a ideological thread not involve ideological arguments?? did u even read this thread/my comment or are u just trying to be edgy? dont bother replying i dont really care to be honest.
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Please, don't fan the flames. This thread deserves better than to devolve into that ugly mess we had like an year ago. It would be a real loss if a mod (or even Mully) felt compelled to close it due to eventual mutual name-calling and abuse getting out of hand. (I know you didn't start it here, but I'm just saying if someone barges in looking to disrupt and rile, sometimes it's just best to leave them be).
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Yeah. Dunno why they can't just forget about it and stop behave like children.
I don't even open threads from people from my BL. And when I see their posts in other threads I don't respond. And I'm sure as hell not entering thread just to shit on someone else. It's that simple.
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Let's keep the drama out and the thread as civil as possible.
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No gif? You've been working on your social interactions!
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Sure you aren't offensive. If you have nothing of worth to add to this thread, why even bother.
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This thread is offensive, why would she even bother?
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It's fine if you dislike someone and can't get along, ignore and get on with your life, just seems like it completely blinds you from reason. If you're only here to provoke and act immature, I'd suggest you put your energy elsewhere.
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Sometimes i think if such kind of awareness stuff goes a bit much (popping all around).
Then, despite the faq and warnings much of the topic goes around in flames that misses the point or come up with bizarre arguments... and just then it hit me that yes, it is needed. Not even on sg can a topic like this go without flames?
Well done Mully. It baffles me how much it is still needed but thats probably because 1) im man and never was harassed 2) no one close to me nor me harass, save a uncle-grandad(not sure how to spell in english) i had that passed away decades ago. It paints to me the illusion the issue, while obvious current, is perpretated by awkward and older men and that newer generations would be more reasonable but clearly that doesn't seem to be the case...
I live in Rio de Janeiro. Its hot here. Frequently i go out in shorts, as many men and women do. While in general if asked i would say i wouldn't mind having more women attention if i try to imagine someone calling me on my ass or something like that good lord.
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yeah just imagine if clothes would be the issue that prevented catcalling, shorts should be banned worldwide ^^
thanks for the thoughts on this π
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Whatever you do, don't let a handful of people destroy the message of your thread, Mully.
It's a good message.
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I keep getting blacklisted (and even de-whitelisted) for supporting this thread so let's see how many people THIS pisses off:
Seminal work of feminism first written in 2000 and which I first read in 2001, and it's even written by a black woman, so this should encourage scorn from misogynists and racists!
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i'd rather get 500 blacklists than interact with the handful of prehistoric men that appeared in this thread. π
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fuckin yeah!
I also loved 'Ain't I a Woman' and 'From Margin to Center'. It really changed how to thought about feminism and helped me become a more thoughtful person.
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I see some people taking offense at this thread, somehow construing it has an accusatory diatribe meant to shame and guilt-trip them, even (or especially) if they do not perceive themselves as being perpetrators or a part of the culture that enables this kind of behaviour. I think these people are missing the point completely. What is asked is not for you to feel guilt, but to feel empathy.
Here's what that means, in concrete terms.
How you can be empathetic without feeling guilty.
Take a moment to let that sink in. Truly, really, honestly think about it.
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I literally said this to someone in the thread because they don't seem able to comprehend empathy versus guilt.
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It's a crucial distinction to make, I'm glad you pointed it out!
Btw, you can format your comment like this: https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/lPoUzHF so the permalink remains even when the title gets changed :)
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I totally agree with you. But there is one little but an important issue. In some cases you can only have empathy for other people, if someone else had empathy for you. And that's the case here, too. The need to feel powerful, the use of a rejecting and downgrading attitude to others implies that, is based on the feeling to feel powerless. Otherwise anger won't make it possible to feel with the other person. And that's what you can read here in some comments. It's anger, cynicism, trivialization of ones pain. These can have two explanations: different privileges and therefore the lack of experience when it comes to discrimination (what makes this a learning situation, which means to learn from someones struggle) or the own struggle of feeling worthless, powerless and the anger that comes with it.
This is basic anger-management-therapy or anti-violent-therapy. But the feelings of the aggressor should never come before the feelings of the affected person. Safety first!
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add to those reasons personal vendettas some people have against me, like in page 11. π
nicely put, btw π
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Because I'm tired of getting catcalled and watching others in the street receive the same treatment, I decided to share some information with everyone in SG hoping that they can stop doing it and/or talk to their friends to make them reconsider their behavior.
Street harassment is unwanted and unwelcomed public attention, most often directed at women, which is demeaning and damaging. Itβs not a private matter but one that should concern everyone.
If you have trouble empathising with strangers, then think about your mother, sister, or girlfriend. Would you enjoy watching people catcalling and telling them nasty things? How do you think they would feel about it?
On an average day I go out twice and I get at least one guaranteed catcall. On weekends or when I go out, for example to a club, it gets worse because groups of people feel more empowered to do so.
A few months ago I was walking with a friend and one guy said things and started to follow us. After a while it ended with me turning around and pepper-spraying his face, then running away in case he could fight back. This is the kind of violence it generates.
We had a rough rest of the day and were shaken up. I didn't enjoy doing that at all, but he had to be stopped. I also like to think the guy didn't enjoy it either.
So in the end, what did he achieve? Nothing.
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OK, I'm gonna clear this up since some people like to assume things just to blame me for defending myself.
For the backward people, this was in june when I wasn't wearing "provocative shorts and t-shirts" clothes. These are the "nice compliments" I got amongst others i don't even want to repeat here and/or I want to forget:
hey girl nice butt
does your friend wanna F with me too?
hey reply bitch
come here lesbos!
GONNA EAT YOUR ASS
Walked one block with that guy which was 1 meter away from us. He wasn't shouting from the other side of the street, he wasn't half a block away, he wasn't sitting in the sidewalk. He was right behind us.
He got warned to leave us alone during the whole 1-block fast-paced walk. I didn't stop to "discuss" because I'm not a 1.9 meters 120kg guy, so I'm not putting my friend and I at risk at 8:30pm in the street.
You read the "You're not alone" thread?
Well, most of the stuff that I shared about me is linked directly to an experience related to this, but I wasn't walking with a friend and there were two guys instead of one following me. You can guess what happened next since I wasn't able to defend myself.
But of course, street harassment is harmless and nothing else can go wrong, nor it can trigger unhappy memories from past experiences.
Think a bit before judging others so quickly assuming they overreact when they feel in danger.~
I know I probably won't convince anyone catcalling to stop by posting this (it doesn't hurt to try), but if your friends or co-workers do it, you can persuade or talk to them and see if they get it. There's nothing worse than being in a group of friends and allowing them to act like idiots.
It's disgusting and demeaning, stop it. You're hurting people with your actions and makes you look like a fool.
β€οΈοΈ FAQ, in case you're gonna post one of these comments I get all the time.
- But some women like to be catcalled!
Yes, there's also men that like to get hit in the face with a hammer. So using the same logic, I should go out and hit all men with a hammer in hopes they enjoy it?
- Don't be so sensitive, ignore it.
No, it reaches a point it can't be ignored. It's not an isolated issue once per month or in certain situations so you can avoid it. It also affects me a lot depending on my mood, so when you feel like crap and you get catcalled, things get worse.
- So you want others to come to your rescue when some stranger catcalls you? That will end up with me getting in a fight!
I'm not asking people to fight for me, just them to stop doing it, spread the word, and discourage people in their group of friends from being disrespectful.
- If you don't want to get catcalled, dress appropriately!
1: Don't blame the victim.
2: I dress as I please. It's my body, not someone else's.
3: It doesn't matter if it's winter and I'm wearing a jacket, or summer with shorts and a t-shirt. Some people will be idiots anyway and say things.
- I bet you like it when a handsome guy catcalls you!
Irrelevant. I expect respect from everyone.
- What about men? They also get harassed!
I'm very aware guys also get harassed by both men and women, but this thread is about girls. Feel free to create another thread for that issue, and I will support it.
- So this is just a misandrist rant!
It's not. If you feel targeted by anything I said, then it's not because you're a man, it's because you actions ressemble what it's said here.
- Meh, it could be worse.
It could be worse, but it SHOULD be better. Also, normalizing this behavior makes it even more painful for victims.
- Women also catcall!
I never said they don't, but for each woman that catcalls me, i get 500 guys. So the issue at hand is the one I shared.
- This thread offends me!
That tells a lot about you. Log off, take your time, and think about it.
- This thread is inappropriate for SG, please close and delete it!
Go tell that to all other threads about awareness, politics, religion, sports, disasters, etc.
π Some info and articles:
Stop Street Harassment
Wikipedia definition
Documenting women's stories of street harassment
Why we need to take street harassment seriously
Dutch woman faces down her catcallers by posting selfies with them
π Videos:
Au bout de la rue (Court-mΓ©trage) - france
10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman - usa
Woman is filmed walking London's streets for secret documentary - uk
Male actor dresses as woman to experience sexual harassment - egypt
Sons React to Their Moms Getting Catcalled - usa
π And some pictures:
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