Four years ago I Started a poll to see what SGers would vote. Quickly after that it became apparent that I would have to refine the poll and split the choices up into non American and American SG users to be able to see the difference.

Today the final 2020 presidential election poll is here!

Please also join the Election Train!

Please be kind to one another in the comments, political discussions can sometimes be a bit heated but please be considerate and friendly throughout.

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Are you from the US? Who did/will/would you vote for?

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I am from the US and I vote: Donald Trump and Mike Pence.
I am from the US and I vote: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
I am from the US and I vote: Howie Hawkins and Angela Nicole Walker
I am from the US and I vote: Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen
I am NOT from the US and I would vote: Donald Trump and Mike Pence.
I am NOT from the US and I would vote: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
I am NOT from the US and I would vote: Howie Hawkins and Angela Nicole Walker
I am NOT from the US and I would vote: Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen

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i vote for Business Cat

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lol

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Ahahaha these are so good! :D

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Nice ones ;)

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These are great-- thanks for posting.

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i like to think of him as Micheal Scott the cat

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Bold topic on a gaming site lol. Although, this is our third grade version of the Game of Thrones in real time, so there is that.

Nobody who thinks things through would dare vote third party this time around. There's never been an election as important as this one in my lifetime.

After Trump loses, we will then need to address the fact that nine unelected officials have absolute control over all American lives.

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Granted, four years ago the same topic sparked quite a few heated discussions, but all in all people were mostly considerate. I just hope people will be respectful and kind to one another for this one too.

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Good luck. Four years ago, there wasn't even close to the amount of hurt and anguish as now. Should be interesting to watch. ;)

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Well technically if this was Games of Thrones, no matter who got elected, Canadians would get through the border and bring winter with them until a little girl stabs Justin Trudeau.
Please don't stab my prime minister, little girl. :(

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I am an USA expat and I would vote for Pat Paulsen and Abe Vigoda, dead or alive

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I'm not familiar with those candidates you mentioned but I always assumed expats still get to vote via postal vote. Was I wrong there or how does that work (in broad strokes)?

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Abe Vigoda was an actor, most famous for being in Barney Miller. Long since dead. In other words, veebs would prefer a protest vote if veebs was voting.

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I see. Thanks for explaining 😉
Never heard about that show.
Apparently it didn't make it across the big pond.

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No prob. Yeah, that was a show from the late 70s/early 80s, so it would make it even less likely that you would've heard of it.

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Can't have too many options, understandably, but I'd really be interested to see from which countries the non-US responses come.

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I voted for Trump just because I wanted more drama going on :P

Honestly speaking, it's both sad and extremely funny to spectate on what has been going on in the USA in the past 5 years.

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I fear some/many people actually vote for the same reason.

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Yes, definitely. I recently watched a video of a political commentator talking to a man from Rhode Island that voted for Trump in 2016. He had said he didn't want to vote for Clinton because "she'd been so awful in the 1990s" and he thought that his vote didn't really count because he was in an electorate that traditionally voted strongly for the Democratic Party, so, believing that Trump would not win (Rhode Island), he considered his vote a "joke vote". When the commentator asked him "Who was the joke on?" he said, "I guess myself, really", which I think sums this position up quite well. When asked if he'd considered Trump's record over the same period and whether that caused any concern, he said that it had but he'd thought that the Republican Congress would not allow him to behave that way in government and was disappointed with the way things worked out.

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I voted 3rd party in hopes they will get 5% of the vote so they will qualify for federal funds.

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I'd be very happy to vote 3rd party if we had a system like Maine has set up.

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Since third party votes during this election (during every election really, but none so impactful as this election) have the direct impact of taking away votes from the only two current viable candidates, I hope you protested as a Libertarian, since Libertarian votes almost universally take away from Republican vote totals.

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Given the poll results so far, I think there's a lot of people not from USA who are doing exactly that. XD

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I (from Latvia) would choose Trump as he stops (or at least, slows down) PC and Cancel culture, which spreads like cancer on the internet now. And hysteria and meltdowns from mainstream media are too golden. You don't need comedians anymore. :D

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I'm talking about invasive CC which shoves their politics and/or censorship (and thus ruining in many cases) into games and movies, and it tends to be pro-democrat and anti-Trump. Pure politics itself is and was always a dirty battleground, and maybe as you said, both parties use this weapon in there (honestly, I don't know that much about all political processes outside of entertainment there). But even if that's the case, I'd prefer 2 CC fighting each other, instead of one big take over everything.

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I'm very curious as to how you personally define cancel culture and PC culture. I ask because all Trump does is try to cancel people. Which leads me to believe we have very different ideas as to what all that means.

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he means anything that's not white straight dudes. Like having female characters in games and all that horror. Oh the Irony eh?

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Yep

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So the guy that is against inclusivity is your anti-cc champion?
That's like putting a vegan in charge of a butchery.

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I don't see any contradictions here, considering "muh inclusivity" is often used as a pretext for woke pressure, because apparently there are not enough/too many (sometimes both at the same time) characters of a certain race/gender/orientation/physical condition/god knows what else, usually without any warrant. So it's actually a plus in my opinion. Unless you mean something else by inclusivity, there are too many definitions (and labels used left and right) of these words nowadays, so sometimes you can't be sure what even was meant by these words. The world becoming crazier and crazier... sigh

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Imagine your major issue being too many black or gay characters in a video game

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I believe that qualifies as white people problems?

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Ah yes, white shaming. Typical woke rhetoric.

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Imagine your major issue being too many white and straight characters in a video game.

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That isn't my major issue? I'm not the one saying I'd vote for a candidate because electing him might fix things that are ruining muh videogames

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I was just putting what you said into perspective and trying to show you that either what you said is ridiculous. Of course, this only applies if you believe white and straight characters somehow make games with them in it "bad" and believe in overrepresenting minorities. If that isn't the case, I'm sorry for making that assumption and wasting your time.

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You certainly tried and you certainly failed

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You mean you failed to try to see beyond your own perspective. Sad.

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How can one "over represent a minority"? Just curious.

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If one percent of people like chunky peanut butter and the rest like creamy, repeatedly making movies where half of the people like chunky and the other half like creamy is overrepresenting them.

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If however it's representative of actual real life, it takes all kinds, and all kinds should be represented. It's also worth noting that people somehow act like women are also a minority lol. What's really weird is being offended by less creamy peanut butter in games. Can't we just agree that peanut butter is generally good and not worry about whether it's regular or honey roasted?

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All kinds of peanut butter should be represented, but not overrepresented. And yes, women aren't a minority but they are often treated as such and they were a minority in the "higher" places throughout history until now. Also, about less creamy peanut butter in games. It seems weird to get offended over stuff like that but if people keep changing the things you liked for the worse and falsely claim it to be hIstroIcalLy acCurAte and mOre rEpResentaTive than "your racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic franchises" it does get annoying, doesn't it?

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No. It really doesn't get annoying at all.

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If only... Firstly, I don't have any problems with black or gay characters, but with attacks and slandering when woke media don't have their way on characters (not diverse enough just for the sake of it) or themes (don't have "correct" political message) or on anything else. It's usually never enough. If you want certain staff or politics - fine, but don't attack others. Secondly, it doesn't limit to games, this wokeness try to encompass all spheres of life. Media, education, workplaces. If you disagree with "mainstream" narrative, they attack you, call -ist and -phobe, and if it goes viral enough you might be fired from the job and defamed, like the Covington kid for just standing, or the Missouri couple for just defending themselves from the mob. And most media fully supports it.

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The Missouri couple are now being charged with crimes over that incident, where a group of people were walking by their house (on public property..i.e. the sidewalk and road) while the couple threatened said people with loaded guns. Maybe they should have stayed inside and watched the procession of people passing by peacefully, as all their neighbors did.

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Ah yes, this fake news again... Since when "public property" is behind the wall and metal gates, and since when breaking the gate and getting on the territory behind the wall is called "passing by peacefully"?

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Portland Place, where the incident you're referring to took place, is private property. Specifically; The road is owned and maintained by the local homeowners association which the McCloskeys are a part of, not the city/state, thus making it private property.
That said, the McCloskeys themselves did not have sole ownership of the street thus there is a case against them for going beyond what Castle Doctrine laws allow.

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You have a distorted view of reality friend

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Yeah pretty much what I'd expect from someone who uses words like "cancel culture"

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From Belgium and really surprised that for non americans Trump would win. I think that would mainly be for comical reasons. It is funny, but it influences the whole world.

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Yeah when you see the massive ripple effect on stock market alone whenever any legit president in the US is saying anything, you know the whole world is paying for whatever happens there. And then you have Trump.

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Sadly true

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What was wrong? Literally 100% of it.

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Donald Trump aka the outranking fart.
(card games) The suit, in a game of cards, that outranks all others.
(slang, Britain, childish, vulgar) Flatulence. (also)

I'd say the perfect name for such a cleaving, loved/hated person man woman camera TV.

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If I'm not mistaken or John Oliver made that up I think the original sir name of his family was Drumpf but I can see why that sounds peculiar to anglo-saxon ears.

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What was wrong? Oh man, so much... Way too much to list in one comment. This site claims to have a running total, though I'd take some of them with a grain of salt: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-954

But for starters, how about the 235,000 Americans that have died from a virus that Trump knew about in January but kept dismissing as nothing to worry about. The US is ranked 251/260 in terms of deaths per population, and he continues to claim that he did a "great job". I don't know of anyone else who comes in 251st out of 260 and is delusional enough to claim he did a "great job". If a CEO praised his own performance for his company being ranked 251/260, he'd be fired.

To add insult to injury, Trump even had the gall to say in late March, as cases and deaths overwhelmed the East Coast, to say, "This would have been so easy to control, so easy to control, if only we knew about it a couple months ago," when he damn well knew about it months ago - Health and Human Secretary Alax Azar had personally briefed him, twice, on the virus, including warning him that this had all the makings of a pandemic and that the US was unprepared.

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There is the meme that since China's WuFlu happened, no one has died from the flu. There is also the signing off of unrelated causes of death to China's WuFlu, so hospitals get that sweet government cheese. Who can also forget the thousands who died because some blue staters/cityers sent infected people to old folks homes who were then wiped out?

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There is also the signing off of unrelated causes of death to China's WuFlu, so hospitals get that sweet government cheese.

Actually, there's not. The US has 235,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 deaths, but if you compare overall mortality for the US for 2020 compared to every previous year over the past decade, 300,000 more Americans have died in 2020 than expected. It actually indicates that Covid-19 related deaths are being under-reported, since what else would account for 300,000 more deaths this year?

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Hospitals can get tens of thousands per person with the right requirements and over-reported the numbers. Now if China could pay for all the suffering they inflicted on the world.

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My condolences on the loss of your brain.

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Trump will always be living rent-free in your head.

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I love those threads actually because they let me test my ESGST Ignore list. For example, here, you have a case of "click that button, you know you want to"

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It IS a satire site about literature. The list of Trump atrocities is not satire.

You obviously just want to plug your ears and ignore it though, so keep on rocking.

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It's absolutely a satire site, but that list is actually real - which is why every entry has links to legitimate news organizations that reported on each issue. Now, calling them "atrocities" is obviously tongue in cheek, and some of the things they list are really pretty minor, but their list is nothing if not comprehensive.

Yeah, that's not good thing to be proud of and certainly country's cream should have taken more safety measurements, but in the end people following them laws and instructions is very important part for such measurements to work. Considering how your country is broken in parts and quite many of the states may follow different laws and rules, it for sure is one mess. Riots and other shit half year ago surely didn't help at all to slow down with the progress of corona contagions.

You absolutely identified the issue. The problem, as I see it, is that there was no central leadership and guidance - the kind you saw in Canada and most of Europe. Experts were warning about the virus, but Trump was saying that everything was under control and there was no need to worry. When the virus started spreading in the US, experts warned that containment measures meant to keep the virus out of the country had failed and we needed to shift to mitigation measures to limit the spread, but the Federal government did nothing - States had to undertake their own independent measures such as lockdowns. So some states locked down, while others remained open, and thus the virus continued to spread. Even when the Federal government called for a country-wide shutdown, there was no guidance as to what that should entail - it was left up to the states, and some states declared bars an "essential service", and there's nothing like packing people into a tight indoor space to let the virus run rampant.

Even masks were politicized, with Trump constantly mocking masks and mask wearing. All the evidence shows that masks help reduce the spread, and help reduce symptoms if you do get infected by reducing the viral load, and Trump was still saying as of last week that "medical experts said that masks don't help" - maybe back in February when they didn't know much about the virus. Trump has specifically refused to issue a national mask mandate, which all the experts encourage to reduce the spread and reduce the symptoms of infection, but then Trump regularly refuses to listen to experts - after all, he knows everything from taxes to wind power "better than anyone".

Totally agree with everything else you said. :)

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Since people have only posted fake news about his failings here is a link to his first term accomplishments

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Neodemocracy: choosing between Turd Sandwich and Giant Douche two times in a row

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Have seen somewhere lately: "President election shouldn't be choosing shiniest of two turds"

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you, i want to like you! dont talk about change, just do it!!! i fought with all my head until a bullet went through it

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I am bitter that Abe didn't show up in Biden vs Trump battle

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rightly so

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Every election is Giant Douche vs. Turd Sandwich.
although if you want me to make predictions, i think its another victory for the king of douches

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I came here to make a poll about that, but seems like I need to come up with another idea. Also already had a perfect 3rd option "E pluribus Solanum tuberosum", oh well.

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Number of countries with US military bases outside the United States
Number of countries adjacent to the country where the U.S. military base is located
It may be a sensitive topic for people in those countries.👀

【世界最強アメリカ4軍の総兵力を大公開】陸•海•空•海兵隊/世界中を網羅する実態 (2020年最新データ) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJEr8xqJjo

A You Tube channel provided by the U.S. Forces Japan with a Japanese translation of the U.S. Forces You Tube.
This is a video showing information on US military bases in the world in 2020 and their forces.

If you look at this, you can see that there are no countries that are not involved, and people from countries that have a bad relationship with the United States are likely to attack the other side of the moon, so I am cautious about my remarks.🌏🚀    🌕|ョΘ・)No! Don't come over here!

But any promise that can be done is fine.
If there is a person who is "ready to do" when there is nothing needed to do it across the country, it is a companion to the creatures called "dove" or "loopy".
Even if it is a lie to give temporary hope, it can be done if there is a "sacrifice" by stating the fact that "it will take a long time" or "it may put a burden on some people". It will be a meal even if it looks bad if you choose the one who insists on the matter.
I can't eat dreams. 🥒 " " 。゚(。pΘq。)゚。hungry... no eat... 😪😥 ...👼Welcome☁
What you shouldn't have when you're hungry is a dream. 
🥒 🍚c(`Θ´と⌒c)つ 😒...growl...Better than nothing ...

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Japan doesn't need the US military bases. Okinawa seems American territory now. And they control a big part of the airspace due to the bases. Haneda airport had to change some routes because Americans don't let planes fly over their controlled territory, and now planes fly over residential neighborhoods. article

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Can you claim the same when something like this was built in a residential area near your house?
https://www.sankei.com/politics/news/160511/plt1605110003-n1.html

Chinese people make House!
There is no problem up to that point.
It's a common story. We welcome you to come and visit us.
(It would be good to use the insights gained from sightseeing to bring them back to their hometowns and have a good time.)

However, it has created a residential area where no one comes and is equipped with three military antennas.

This article was published four years ago.
Isn't this kind of thing increasing?
It is not the people of Okinawa who are demonstrating at the US military base in Okinawa, but the people of different regions and countries.
Why don't the locals complain?
At the end of the war, Okinawa became a burnt field by the US military and evacuated to mainland Japan.
When the base was built, it was a field.
After that, the government gave a deposit to those who originally owned the land because it was used by the US military.
What happened to those who didn't have the land and didn't get the deposit?
Since decided to live in business with the people of the US military, the city area began to spread around the US military base.
Immediately after the war, the US military feels that there were times when there were problems.
There were also "crimes by US soldiers" related to US military bases and locals around the world.
But think about the reality?
The third generation has passed so many years that humans are replaced.
It's more of a crime committed by people of the same generation than a crime committed by US soldiers.
The area where the US military base is located is the "hometown" of "people who are US soldiers and local residents."

Will you vote in favor of leaving your hometown?
I am neither the US military nor a human being.
However, I think it is a feeling that I do not want to leave as much as possible if I am a local.

And one more.
Besides Okinawa, there are several US military bases in Japan.

There are always no complaints about other US military bases.
Few such reports have been made in recent years.
Think carefully about the reason.
(I think of the opponent that the US military base in Okinawa is watching.)

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I think the time of day this thread went live is absolutely not ideal to get initial responses from people who are actually from the Americas.

Afterall it's only 06:42 in Los Angeles and 09:42 in New York. Waaay too early for most people whose opinion should matter most to get involved in a political debate.

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Early bird gets the worm :)
or the comment in this case I guess

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In my opinion more like when they wake up we'll already have set the landfill on fire and they get to warm their hands on a nice, cozy garbage fire 😄

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With "gone there" you mean a garbage fire I assume? Yeah, pretty much.

Well... as the clip I posted earlier implies When you're playing with fire sooner or later somebody's gonna lose a finger. 😅

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I'm not from USA and I think it doesn't mean a crap who the American president is. All of them are just figureheads with no political impact whatsoever. American politics remains the same under every president for the last dunno-how-many years.

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So you have been hibernating for the last 4 years?

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Lol are you really gonna ignore that presidential republics exist?

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No political impact is debatable. However the impact throughout the world in terms of economy, war and environment in undeniable.

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And yet we currently have an american president which popularised the idea that you can simply disregard difficult questions (even those with well-known and widespread evidence backing them up) by simply saying the magic words 'fake news' and belittling the asker.

Suggesting a president has little political power is one thing, but even a hollow figurehead is capable of widespread influence. His attitude towards the pandemic, direct questions on pertinent issues, and professionalism in general have been atrocious. Instead of being a balm to current issues he has managed to only exacerbate the divides and foster a cult of personality founded in anger at the bogeyman of anyone who is his critic, and by not quickly and decisively addressing massive issues in the voting process that have arisen, he has ultimately undermined a lot of stability the country had. The issues with Trump go far deeper than mere budgetary issues or which direction he took at a crossroad in policy.

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i'm leaving the house to participate in the final day of early voting in my state today. Biden is probably the most milquetoast and centrist candidate the Democrats could get together, but at least he's not a fascist, so i'm voting for him.

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You might want to read his tax plan, under him you are goung to lose at least 750 more per year tax not counting he was to raise the tax on gas to 1.10 per gallon. Joe's so far out left he doesn't even know what job he running for or who he running against.

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oh my god who gives a shit about money, people are dying and Trump is pretending they don't exist. get some empathy.

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People who can barely afford to live now. I own a home and Biden wants a federal housing tax, for my house it going to cost me an extra $2400 in taxes. it going to cost me an extra 750 a year on top of the 750 tax break I get . So, right now Biden it going to cost me $3900 in extra taxes. raising the gas tax will raise the cost of gas to over 3.00 a gallon, the last time it that high where I live, milk cost 3.95 a gallon and bread was almost $2 a loaf. now tell me how he is helping the middle class or the poor?

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what fantasy world do you live in where gas isn't well over three bucks on the reg, dude? it's been that high since the Bush years, going abloo bloo bloo over it like some numpty isnt going to change that.

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$1.60-$1.80 in many places here in Kentucky. only places gas is still over $3 is in democracy controlled shitholes like California. In which people are fleeing at record place because of the high taxes.

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i'm in Texas, bro, where Abbott takes a chunk out of everything and uses it for stupid shit rather than programs we actually need, like unemployment and SocSec. you want to challenge me on what happens while living through GOP-led taxes you need to get on my level first.

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"Democracy controlled shitholes"

Oops. You let that one slip out.

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How much more money have you made under the genius non-existent economy policy of Trump?
Given the state of your economy, I can safely say he has cost you way more than 4000 bucks of taxes.
Americans and taxes. Jesus. Nobody likes them but it's the price you pay for living in a society.

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Blame the people in government who told everyone to ignore Trump and Dr. Anthony Fauci in Jan, Feb and March, told people to go party, have parades and go to china town, the people who are still holding up the second stimuli bill to score political points, ignoring everyone who is dying and starving in the mean while.

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Congress passed the HEROES act in May. the Senate outright refused to vote on it and instead introduced their own shitty bill that replaced any help for the people affected by COVID with what amounted to coverage for "three martini lunches" and liability protections for business owners so they could force their employees into unsafe situations without the consequence of being sued.

so sure, blame McConnell along with Trump for this mess!

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Some of the cheapest fuel in the world, you are so spoiled it's almost cute.
You don't look at the tax, you look at what it could be used for.
I voted for higher tax because I want better schools and better healthcare.

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You don't get better schools by throwing more money at it. https://knoxfocus.com/columnist/dumbing-america-lessons-california/ or better lawyers by lower the bar.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-07-29/lowering-the-bar-exam-passing-score-is-a-clumsy-way-to-boost-diversity-among-lawyers. Would you rather have a nurse that had to get A and B to pass the nursing exam or one that only had to have Cs

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750 bucks more a year so that my Country doesn't have an orange asshat fiddling on twitter all day while America perishes from corruption, mismanagement, and a lack of leadership?

Sign me up for the next 4 years on that 750 bruh. Proud Boys can go fuck themselves.

By the way- Democrats are a center right wing party. Just because the Republicans are far right theocratic neo-fascist doesn't make the Democrats a left wing party anywhere else in the world. The USA does not have a legit left wing party- the Green Party doesn't really count does it?

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No democrats are not right any thing, they are left wing.

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Wrong.

In any other country Democrats are a right wing party. Only because the Republicans are far right do people even assume (wrongly) that the Democrats are left wing.

The US has no legit left wing party.

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In any other country Democrats are a right wing party

Heh I keep telling that to all my friends in France who don't get American politics. At best, the hardcore Democrats are centre right.
But talk about raising taxes by one dollar in the US, and that's it, you're "a communist". Everyone knows the federal government exists only for one thing: making sure that Christian Values are enforced on every man, woman and child in the US

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It's within the Democrat party, which is usually where new parties are born (from within an already existing major party). Justice Democrats. A very progressive group.

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You are attributing things a bit disingenuously. Let me explain why someone like AOC or even Bernie Sanders has no bearing on the Democratic platform. Justice Democrats are a PAC, they only endorse candidates. They are not 'within' any party, anymore than the "National Association of Realtors" or "The Heritage Foundation" are 'within' a party. They endorse and donate money to candidates they approve of and they try to influence their policies.

The Democratic Party has some members who are more progressive than others, same as the Republican Party has some members who are more conservative than others. You don't base things on the people but rather the Party platform- this is what matters. Actions over words, as one might say.

The Democratic Party are a center right wing party of corporate capitalists. While some members are trying to tug the party to the left, it is a painstakingly slow process and one can just look to the policies of their standard bearers for a glimpse into understanding their platform.

Biden and Obama are center right moderates who don't believe in taxing the wealthy (tax rates were 65% on the wealthy in the 1950s), they don't believe in Medicare for all (the ACA is a corporately lobbied Act that was written mainly by Republicans who then voted against it), they don't believe in increasing immigration (their only argument is against separation of kids from their families, but Obama literally deported more people than any other President), their foreign policy rivals Republicans on interventionism (even Trump is appearing to be more dovish than Biden and Obama was the undisputed king of drone attacks). The ONLY part of the Democratic Party platform that appears to resemble left wing policy hinges entirely on environmental regulation and climate change.

The sad truth is that this Country has a duopoly of consolidated power that disenfranchises any sort of new parties to be born. This is why Bernie Sanders ran on the Democratic ticket instead of the Green Party; the same reason we won't ever see an independent President. This duopoly is self serving and is only there to keep the two parties in power. It does not serve the people but rather themselves.

The US could be well served with a more parliamentary approach to elections, with 4 or more parties to represent over 300 million people. Everyone can agree that there are more than 2 ways to view things. This Country has one of the absolute lowest voter participation rates in the world- and the two parties are to blame for it. One may argue that one party is ore to blame (hint: voter suppression and gerrymandering); but the system is designed to keep them in power and to crowd out any other parties from gaining a foothold in American politics.

Finally, a picture because this helps explain things a bit:

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They are actually a party within a party, and it's not even close to the first time that has happened...and they are also relevant.

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Not really.

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Yes, really.

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Name the last new party to be born. You don't understand the difference between a PAC and a party it might seem.

Only people who are on a steady digest of Fox News actually believe the Democratic Party to be a left wing party. They believe what Tucker tells them to believe, but reality tells a different story.

You might as well be saying Qanon is a party within the Republican Party; because 'relevance' can be subjective depending on whose pearls you clutch.

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Heels up Harris said she is a Communist. This new batch of Democrats are going Full Communism Now.

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Did they teach you political science at Trump University? Or is it something you browse when you aren't trolling on 8chan?

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Sorry you had to get the news so late into the election. It was Sanders University, Burlington College. The one where Bernie's wife defrauded all of us.

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Sucks to be me, I guess? xD

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Where's the potato vote?

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Due to the US electoral system the equivalent would be one of the 3rd party candidates 😅

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Kayne West?

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I'd vote for anyone but the hate pumpkin, and so I went with the "seat-warmer" Biden.
Even my mom, who's voted straight Republican ticket for over 40 years, went straight Democrat this time around.

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Same with a lot of older people I know. 60-70 years old, never voted Democrat before but voting for Biden..

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Really was no other choice. That's just where we are ATM.

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it shows how thoroughly the trump poison has seeped into global culture that so many non US people would vote for that orange tool.

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My thoughts exactly.
I'm assuming these are uninformed people that know next to nothing about US politics and the state of the nation and are just hoping for some fun youtube videos.

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bumperino.

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I was uninformed and supported Trump the first time around. The US has always been in insane debt and I thought he might have ideas to boost the economy for them. I'm not a US citizen, but I just was wanting the best for the country since they're an important part in the world. Sadly I was wrong. The man's a disaster to put it mildly. He quite literally has gone against the first amendment on Twitter through illegal blocks (court-ordered to unblock later), he has shamed the country in public through bad conduct and so on. I mean, he got laughed at publicly during his speech with the UN. Making those skeletons laugh, boomers that demand respect and so on.... I mean wow. Plus the riots where he has committed proven warcrimes, the amount of money that had to be wasted through investigations to his bad conduct, his constant golfing trips, his multiple conflicts of interest each year... It just isn't right. I wish I could say "it didn't work out". In reality the man set the US back to around the cold war era with foreign relations, setting back the economy by decades and so on. Not to even mention the unfortunate people dying from COVID. He pretends it was a unique situation, but of course it wasn't. It wasn't hard to make the right decisions. But it's too late anyways. He screwed the pooch and people are actually dead. I won't call him a murderer because he never did it directly. But the fact that he's not even feeling bad about his decisions leading to this situation...

The last 4 years were a continuous line of tragedies.

People outside of the US are currently kinda behind with culture. People are starting to just get disenfranchised by the right wing again, a reign which barely lasted a couple of years. But they aren't far enough with it to still actually look into the facts of the situation. As to people on this site, it has never been about "PC Culture and SJWs and cancel culture", but the fact is that those seem to be the reasons. Either you're younger or you're not living on your own yet, which is great. Honestly enjoy your time. But sadly those who are thrown to the wild world of adulthood are seeing that it's not as simple as Twitter and Reddit accounts. It's not just Youtube videos and games getting changed to have women. Other people's lives aren't that simple.

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Good Lord, I need a third arm to continually facepalm Trump and his administration.

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Yeah. It's hard to keep up with the daily insanity.

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+1
Well said, it's a bloody car crash and the ones it impacts the most are not informed enough to care, they just want to hear a few populistic one-liners to feed their frustrations.

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Not from US, i didn't vote because I've only heard of Trump and Biden in my country lol
As always the Republicans vs Democrats news every election period

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From the US, voting for Jorgensen & Cohen though I don't have much hope in politics fixing our broken system. I see it mainly as a protest / outreach vote.

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Not from a swing state, so protest voting green party.

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From the USA. Voted for Biden/Harris.

Not really a fan of Biden... not really a fan of any politician. I think the system is completely broken. But I couldn't risk a third-party vote, or not voting at all, because I did not want to be complicit in another Trump victory.

One friend who has been a Republican since high school (25+ years) told me he voted for Biden. It's the first time he's ever voted for a Democrat. (Four years ago he voted for a third party candidate).

I'm encouraged by many people who identify as Republican finally coming to the understanding that Trump is not a true Republican. He may agree with a few Republican ideals, but generally he's too selfish and narcissistic to have any real principles. His only interest is in himself.

Someday I hope we can fix the system and maybe have people in public service who really want to serve the public, instead of people who are simply addicted to power. But I'm not holding my breath.

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Trump is absolutely a true Republican - a self centered money obsessed plutocrat that cares nothing about serving the people, only about lining his own pockets catering to corporations and the rich

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Any examples?

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Of what? Shitty Republicans, or Republican corruption? Can certainly give you plenty of either.

You can start with this though - https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-954

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About things he has done thats only to line his own pockets and not for the people I ment.

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The list I linked previous has almost 1000 incidents, start with the pink labeled ones for Trump's family business dealings

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From the top of my head, these two:

Excess expenditures just to use his company's accommodations: Link
Excess visits to golf tours, including his own company's courses: Link

Fact is that the government should essentially outlaw all things the president owns or is very tied up to. Nothing more to it than that.

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I thought he had examples of policys that f*cked over normal americans and only benefited the rich. Not that he keeps his own businesses and apparently likes to golf. Was pretty similar examples in the link he provided.

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I mean, there's the tax cut that primarily benefited the rich while adding a trillion dollars to the government deficit that the normal people will be paying for for the foreseeable future.

There's playing down the virus in public while privately warning wealthy donors about what was coming so that they could secure their financial investments or even profit from the virus by investing in pharmaceutical companies that make PPE and vaccines.

And I feel like you're dismissing the impact of him funneling money into his own businesses and just how much he golfs. Aside from the millions in tax payer money spent on flying him down to his golf course every weekend (estimated at around $140 million), Trumps businesses have charged the Secret Service over $1 million for lodgings while they stay there protecting his life. He may have donated his official salary, as wealthy Presidents before him have done, but he has received much more than that from tax payer spending, government spending, and foreign government spending at his properties (such as Saudi Arabia renting floors of his hotel for tens of thousands while at the same time negotiating an arms deal with the US).

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Yeah, maybe not so great for a country that has a huge debt to incrrease it even more. But wasnt the biggest deal about the taxes that the average american had more money in their pay check, and didnt had to wait for the tax returns to get their money back. And a big deal for taxes in companies, possibility to create more jobs etc.

About Corona, isnt a state in america pretty much like a country. They mind their own business and Trump has to force them to do thing diffrent in that case if something isnt right. There where pretty early shutdowns from China and Europe which was good. China shutdown was in January if Im not mistaken after the first case. And didnt the CDC say even in mars that you didnt have to wear mask, and Nancy Pelosi said come down to china town, nothing to fear. :(

Maybe I dismiss his dealings because I dont know much about them. I guess one could argue for or against what a president should and shouldnt be able to do on the side. Isnt even the Obamas waaay more wealthy then they should be on the 400K salary a president makes. Im sure all presidents had deals on the side and Trump is just smarter about it and uses his own bussiness to earn money because he has the option to not use hotels etc that others own.

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Yes, but...
Yes, but...
Do you actually want answers or just wave everything away as small potatoes?
Trump is obviously corrupt, and you say "Yes, but..." and throw back a whataboutism (look it up) based on anecdotal evidence...
Trump pays no tax because he is a really bad businessman, but a really good con-artist.
A president is not supposed to have ties to businesses that he can make money off by favouring himself or others favouring him.
But because the Senate is under Republican control they are not stopping it.
It is like playing football and the referee is part of your team, so you can break the rules and he won't do anything to stop it.

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I ask questions to get answers. Sorry you cant handle follow up questions.

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Trump is literally the highest paid athlete on the planet because he charges taxpayers millions to play golf, and he plays more golf than any other President in history.
His tax cuts that you speak of were payroll tax cuts- these are the taxes that fund 100% of Social Security and Disability payments. He literally took money from elderly people and sick people, trillions of it- and gifted it to the mega rich corporations in this Country. The richest 400 families in the US have nearly doubled their wealth under Trump, while every other American family has lost money or stagnated.

If he simply took some leadership against Corona and enacted basic measures that most other countries have done we would have 200,000 less dead people here. But, he is still out there holding big rallies of people with no mask enforcement, just look at the pictures 90% of his supporters are packed together and none wearing masks. He refuses to wear one and makes fun of others for wearing masks, because that must be the way to lead by example during a pandemic?

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Thanks for the answer, and the blacklist.

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Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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What game? I simply asked some questions because I wanted to know other opinions.

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Actually, perhaps the best example of policies that hurt normal Americans while benefiting the rich is repeated roll-back of environmental protections. The protections are removed to benefit large companies - since it's easier for them to make more money when they don't have to be concerned about destroying the environment in the process - and directly hurt normal Americans who are left to deal with the effects of climate change. And while the companies - their executives and shareholders - are making more money, median household income has been growing slower than the inflation rate, resulting in decreased wealth for the average American, an exponentially growing income gap, and a growing percentage of people finding themselves below the poverty line.

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At least he's not a Satan worshipping baby molesting human trafficking cannibal like the Democratic Elite are. For some really mysterious reason that knowledge is apparently very well known within yoga and new age groups here.

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Isn't he? Please prove to me that Trump is not a "Satan worshipping baby molesting human trafficking cannibal."

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He's the one who is fighting them, the only savior mankind has Q.E.D.

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I agree, he's obviously arresting immigrants in an attempt to divert attention from his "Satan worshipping baby molesting human trafficking cannibal." ;)

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Unfortunately that's what Republican has come to mean but that's not what it started as.
Every time I read or hear a story about him, his lack of taxes and golf clubs (or the funny ones about him banning all Muslims from entering the US except the ones with whom he has business), I'm reminded of the night of the 2016 election and riding in a taxi with the taxi driver going on about how "at least Trump can't be corrupt because he's already a billionaire". I had a very hard time not laughing out loud back then. I'm not laughing anymore.

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yeah, all I'm saying is Trump is obviously awful but don't make it seem like the other Republicans aren't just as awful and 100 percent complicit

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Trump is what Democrats were... Sadly the democrats now aren't what they were in past and have gone way way too far...

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Very confusing statement...
So Democrats were openly corrupt narcissists? And now they are not? But you wish they were? But they are worse now?

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Yea the 13 year old from Finland surely knows a lot about American politics.... /s

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To be fair, the politics of most politicians running for office as Republicans nowadays (and increasingly since Bush Sr.) only bear a vague resemblance to political principles once called Republican so it's not like he's the only one but he definitely took it to the extreme, well, like everything else in his life, really.

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who the fuck are howard Hawkings and Joe Jorgerson?

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Green & Libertarian party candidates

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oh, potato votes

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Haha, that made me laugh. :)

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Streamers, or Starbucks waitresses, or both.

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For those looking to throw away their vote write in a candidate, 1225 candidates for President have been filed with the FEC, including "Taco Cat", "Your Mom", "Mike Coxlong" and "Gay Kanye West Fish" among other entertaining choices. 🇺🇸

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damn, how easy is it to be eligible to be voted one?

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Anyone can be a candidate, you just have to fill out a form (you can even do it online). You must swear according to law that the information is true and factual... but you know how people are on the internet. :)

To be actually listed on the paper ballot, each state in the US has its own qualification rules, usually it has to do with how much money you have raised from donors or obtaining a certain number of signatures. Usually there are fewer than 10 candidates to choose from when it is actually time to vote. In my state there were 5 names listed for President when I voted last weekend,

There is also a blank space where you are free to write any name. "Mickey Mouse" usually gets a lot of votes...

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It's not so easy here, you need a certain amount of supporting signatures to take part.
you only can vote for People/Parties on the vote sheet, writing other stuff on it, may even make it invalid

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Sadly no Vermin Supreme

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I'd go with Jorgensen because the band Ministry is led by the guy with the same name.

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