Not sure if this is the right board to post this question, so forgive me if I'm in the wrong place.

The thing is, for a while now I've been seeing a lot of giveaways that basically say "if you join this giveaway you must agree not to complain when I don't give you the game you won." Of course they never actually phrase it that way and it's usually more like "I've got this old key and I don't know if it still works" or "I bought this key from someone extremely unreliable so maybe it has already been used," but either way the intention is clear.

What I'm wondering is, is this allowed? The rules state that you must send the game you're giving away, so that's clear enough. Now I'm not implying that these users are trying to scam the system or anything, since AFAIK a deleted giveaway doesn't add to your contributor level, but it does seem like this is an attempt to create giveaways without actually committing to giving away a game. When I was still more active on this site instead of creating these Schrödinger's Giveaways there used to be orphan key threads where people would dump keys they weren't sure were useable, so people could (maybe) enjoy the games but they wouldn't create a hassle with giveaways that may or may not be legit. That seems to me like a much less confusing way of doing things.

Is there a rule against this kind of giveaway? And if not, should there be?

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One of the very first giveaways I won was supposed to be a key for Night Forest, but then it turned out to actually be a key for Heaven Forest Nights, which is a shovelware game that has been given out several times for free before. I talked with the giveaway created and they realized their mistake. I didn't think too much about it, so I marked the key as invalid and moved on.

The report system is there if you believe something unfair is happening; in this case, I didn't feel wronged in any way and I was willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. It's up to you if you want to use it and if how you use it is consistent with current rules.

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As long as it's a polite request and not a demand, I see no issue with such messages.

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It's interesting to see how asking for clarification and opinions on how this should be handled immediately gets people accusing each other of being assholes, and doubled the number of blacklists I'm on overnight.

Such a healthy, friendly community this has become.

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they are scared you would be one of those "entitled users that demand their wins". they don't want to risk a not-received mark in their perfect profiles! 😱
funny how we are called entitled, while they feel entitled to make giveaways as they please because they are "generous". 😂

these hypocrites are willing to break the site TOS because it benefits them. "i'm generous and i'm giving a change to winners, if the key doesn't work, allow me to delete it! i swear nothing will happen... *BLACKLIST*"

the same people that cry like mad when they find someone with unactivated wins (rule breaker! *points finger*). pity support doesn't care at all, especially cg, and adds a clarification to the rules about giveaways with unsafe keys.

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And I added you to mine because you were one of the first to start accusing others of being assholes and jerks just because they try to follow the rules of the site. I didn't want to call out anyone in specific, but if you crave the attention this much then you've got it.

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But! You might miss out on all the giveaways they do!

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In today's news: Angsty internet tough guy "doesn't give a fuck", types wall of text to prove it!

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I don't give a fuck about blacklists.

People who don't give a fuck don't mention it all the time.

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People who don't give a fuck don't mention it all the time.

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Well this thread certainly became a circle-jerk and ego-stroke between the usual suspects.
Just toss down a tarp and tip the mop guy extra when they're done. :3

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Sorry to hear that happened to you. But look at it this way... you wouldn't be the first person on here to get BL for having a legitimate question or an opinion. 🙄

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Screw those people (in a friendly way, of course ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))

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Oh, you don't like the surprise buttsecks?

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oh, if you drink enough bottles of KY bourbon, you'd only care the morning after.

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I think i've read someone once explain that such precision was allowed for private/group giveaways but not public giveaways ?

Once when i tried to help some devs to translate their game, they rewarded us with some keys that they generated. But as there can be confusion because they sent some to a lot of different people, after hesitating i finally decided to set the giveaway as whitelist asking possibility to delete giveaway if there would be a problem and if devs would be unable to provide another key. The possibility that the key was incorrect was very small but not non-existent.
Yes i could have thrown it away in the orphan keys thread, but honestly it was for a beautiful game that i hoped to be played (i didn't know about the specific group for that). Some decided to resell them and i had decided to give some to friends and to another website and some here. But i had spent maybe 80h translating this game and orphan keys thread i prefer to use it for things that are less important because it's full of bots or people not really interested so it's just a loss.
In the end, there has been no problem because i trust all my whitelist people to be nice people and because the key was correct.

Another time, i won a whitelist giveaway and the key was wrong. So to lighten the load for the gifter, i just wrote him immediately that if he wanted he could just delete the giveaway using my message for support. And so he did it and all has been well. I consider that it's the intention that counts, the person had the kind intention to give something away, if it doesn't work out, why be a pain for this kind person ? And i was already very happy to have won even nothing among many candidates because it's already cool in itself when fate chooses us in a big draw !

And... "if you join this giveaway you must agree not to complain when I don't give you the game you won." is not the same that "I've got this old key and I don't know if it still works" I disagree here. Because the first sentence is very rude. The second one can be from a very kind person who would like to share something with a nice intention but is just unsure that the key still works.

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This will be a little tangential, but I thought I should mention it. There's an informal custom on this site where a giveaway creator faced with a bad key might ask the winner for a deletion, but at the same time offer them a key of equal value that the winner might like to have as a kind of 'consolation prize'. Of course, that could and should never be a rule, but it is a nice way to handle things and demonstrates good faith on the part of the giver and makes the winner a little happier too.
Personally, I shy away from putting disclaimers in giveaways. Where rules are concerned, actions have consequences and I'd rather deal with them as they come, and not preemptively - doesn't feel right to me. If I have reason to believe that a key is bad, I'll just drop it inside another giveaway.

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Meh

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