When we use the sorting we reach the page with guaranteed keys ^^
Also I think this must be incorrect, as all sellers must be verified to be able to create a trade : Keys on this marketplace place are NOT GUARANTEED, except where the seller is marked as VERIFIED.
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Will it be possible to add the steam name with link beside the seller's profile so that we know from whom we are buying before actually spending and being scammed. You can also add the number of purchases the seller has carried out in DIG which will help to build up his trust score.
It will be to easy to spot the scammers banned by steam rep or throwaway accounts or private profiles. People will most probably avoid such people and help to establish a better market.
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Number of positive trades completed will be displayed soon.
Seller profile is not being displayed to avoid "targeting" (= giving a specific person bad ratings on purpose).
I might make this OPTIONAL for sellers who want to display their STEAM profile.
Also, you can't just sign-up and put up keys for trades.
You have to have made at least one purchase with us, 30 days earlier at least and your DIG account email is tied to the primary PayPal email.
Also, if the positive ratings drop below 70% percent, that account can no longer create trades.
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This looks like a good idea. I've got tonns of unused keys from bundles/giveaways and have no idea where to trade/sell them. But I will wait and check how people will react to this project. It looks interesting, but I'm sure that pretty soon it will be abused with scammers. I'm not talking about seller-scammers - it's possible, but 30 days verification after first purchase on the site is good. Not saying it will stop people to scam after 30 days, but mostly scammers are looking for "fast money". I'm talking about buyers-scammers, who purchase hacked paypal accounts and buy keys. At the end payment is revoked by the owner of paypal account. And don't think it's hard to find hacked paypal accounts - kids selling tonns of them on forums. And I have no idea how you can avoid this.
Sadly the most amount of buyers-scammers are coming to purchase Steam keys. I'm trading keys for non-Steam games and amount of paypal abusers is super-low. Maybe 1 for 100. But Steam keys... People abuse paypal chargeback system because of 1$ key! Something around 30 for 100. I decided to not accept paypal payments after the total amount of scammed keys/gifts got to ~400$. Building blacklists, lowering prices - nothing helps, because 12yo kid knows how to buy for 5$ credentials of paypal account with 100$ balance and use vpn.
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Love the idea.
Seems to have some quirks here and there, mailed you directly for it (might be purely account related).
Is there any kind of "mass listing" planned?
And what about removed Steam games?
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Are you planning to blacklist games from mass giveaways on Indiegala or Humble Bundle? Humble usually puts a time limit to activate on those keys. On the current trade list i see Outlast and Outlast Wistleblower who have been free a few weeks ago and must be activated before Octobre 7th.
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If some games have some sort of issues, we will see about adding a note to them.
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The feedback feature can be abused it seems.
Had 100% rating, then started to sell some more for minimum price, and my rating dropped fast - i know the keys work(ed).
One could easily manipulate the "market" like this, even drop other sellers under 70% and kick them out of the market.
At the same time, if a key really doesn't work, there's no way to contact the seller, basically making this a really risky business for buyers who might wanna spend more than just a few cents on game keys.
Love the idea, the implementation needs some fixing though.
Another small issue:
confirmation email text seems to be wrong, "...key has been added to your account", if you sell something.
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Same here with a key at minimum price. It's someone trying to game the system.
A possible solution would be to not allow selling of keys of games you bought on the marketplace, at least for a month or so.
Or course, some people are just griefers and will do this anyway.
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We are still making adjustments here.
Namely, we only display a rating after 5 trades. And I will increase that to 10 as it seems a more fair value.
I checked our database for individual ratings and there is nothing suspicios (ie: A user giving or a seller receiving an unusual number of negative ratings. They are quite distinct so far).
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I know for sure that all my keys worked.
Yet my rating dropped down to 70'ish percent for a while. Tried to do so myself, and yeah, one can easily abuse the system like this. No offense exosyphen, this needs a reset, and / or some more refining.
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We are constantly working on this, and feel free to reach out to us, to take a deeper look.
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One more thing we will be adding is the reverse.
If over a certain percent (50% - 70%) of ratings you give are negative, buying on the marketplace will be disabled for that user.
It would protect both a legitimate or an illegitimate buyer.
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Now I have: DIG Point Store, Trade Steam Keys and the new MarketPlace.
Maybe all the keys from Trade will go in the MarketPlace as Verified, I'm thinking this cause, even if the MarketPlace is for keys obtained outside of DIG, I see a few games that are present on the DIG Point Store traded for higher prices in MarketPlace.
Example: I buy Orbital (Point Store) for 10 points, then, I trade it for 15 points on MarketPlace. Wouldn't be better if I can trade Orbital only if my trade price is cheaper than the one on Point Store, i.e. 9 points?
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You can't sell a KEY obtained from our Trading or DIG Point Store or Bundle on the marketplace.
You can sell the same title, but the key must come from somewhere else.
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In the initial phase, we enable accounts manually (just send in an email), until we make sure everything works smooth.
After which, eligible account will have the feature automatically turned on.
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"You rating fall below 70% Positive trades, your ability to sell keys is suspended."
I must say it's a nice idea but I do think 70% is aiming a bit low.
I mean would you shop at a place when 30% of the stuff they sell is no good?Why not have a system in place where only non revealed keys can be sold?
You're also going to have a small demand for this since currency is only good on your site and let's face it 99% of the bundles have bad games.I would think a robust trading system would work a lot better.?Is this why you changed how bundles are purchased to help push this?As you use to just need to BTA for a second bundle now I see it's a flat rate per additional bundle.So now someone can spend an extra .50 and sell each game say for 10 points and profit .50 do that twice and a 1.00 bundle is yours free.
Just my opinion but it seems profit is the driving force behind this and why it has been throwing together real fast just to get something going you seem to be all over the place with what you want to do with no real clear path or outline of what you will do moving forward.
'If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail!'
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The MarketPlace is for keys obtained outside of DIG. Why didn't you read the description? This keys are always "revealed".
The DIG Trading, which is for keys from bundles, works with unrevealed keys as we are the only one who had access to them.
As for bundles, I am not sure what kind of "profit" accusations are you making?
You used to pay $1.49 for a bundle. Now you pay $0.99
You used to pay more than $1.49 for 2 bundles. Now you pay $1.49 ... all I see are better prices.
And why would someone by all games in a bundle for more than $0.99, when he/she can get the bundle for $0.99?
We have this AWESOME thing called analytics. Pretty complex ones. I majored in math.
As long as:
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I failed to read the post properly you got me on that one, crap I'm human and made a mistake someone erase me from my existence.
Though thanks for your answer you did not need to explain you are a math whiz a simple we did some research and so on would have been enough.I was just sharing my opinion of how it seemed does not mean I was right.You asked for feedback I gave it even if some of it was wrong because of my own stupidity to read things properly.
The BTA I did not fully understand due to whenever I went to the site the price was random but most of the time it was 1.50 or more and then add a few cents more to get another bundle.So I had no clue what price it started at since whenever I got there the price was always more than 1.49 so I never had clue what price the bundle started at.
You used to pay $1.49 for a bundle. Now you pay $0.99
You used to pay more than $1.49 for 2 bundles. Now you pay $1.49 ... all I see are better prices.
So yes they are better prices now but just pennies better as several times for a mere 1.55-160 with the old pricing I could have got 2 bundles and was tempted a few times just to make GA's on this site.iI'm not trying to take away that this is a good thing but it's not a huge leap of savings it's just a more streamlined and clearer way of purchasing a bundle which I like.
"As for bundles, I am not sure what kind of "profit" accusations are you making?"
.I just meant by some of your replies and choices you made seemed like profits were the main driving force for some decisions.In the end, you asked for feedback I gave it maybe some of the mines was wrong and maybe I miss understood some things but that is why it's called feedback.
Thanks for the reply...though the one I was most concerned about that you never commented on was the 70%.I was actually more interested in hearing your thoughts on that.As maybe it's just me but I feel that bar is a bit low considering these will be keys outside of your site that the bar should be set pretty high giving the risk.
Anyhow, I'm sorry I misunderstood some things and thought you were having a market for keys you sell plus steam keys.It was late when I read it so my eyes or mind was asleep behind the wheel and what I thought I read is clear it was not what I thought.
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Hi a question.
Why is it not allowed to sell DIG obtained keys on the DIG MarketPlace?
I have a number of DIG keys from older bundles. In that time there was no trading and selling, so those keys were opened by me to store them in an Excel file, and they were not used. Because they were opened I can't trade them on the DIG Trade, and I would like to sell them on the DIG Marketplace.
Any reason you forbid this?
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bundle keys and games with keys sold by DIG themselves - cannot be sold in the market place - as said by EXO themselves in this thread
This is not meant as a grey market selling site, but a way to get rid of a few spare keys, as I see it, and that is why it is kept within the DIG points system - no cash out at all for anyone :) but that is just how I view it
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Yes, I realize my mistake now for some reason I thought the post meant keys from the site and steam keys.
Though to be clear it is still a grey market no matter if no real money is exchanged.A grey market is simply the selling of goods outside of authorized sources.You should not brush it off as not being so just because you only get credit for the store.I mean after all, would you say G2A is no longer a grey market if all exchanges were handled with store credit only?
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not sure to be honest - as that is unlikely to ever happen with G2A :) - but I am of the opinion that when I purchase something it becomes mine, and I should be able to do with that as I see fit - especially if I have not redeemed the game to my account (which with spare keys from my bundles is the case) - this is something that the EU courts have agreed is the case with software at the very least - the principle of ownership is therefore sound (in the US it is not the case I believe, according to the 9th circuit - but in the EU it is)
as for the mistake - no worries, even I was confused at the start of all this :P
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Well, grey market does not automatically mean it's shady or bad though it seems most think of it as that way.It can mean that but is not the only meaning.It's just a term used when you sell something new that is not from an authorized source does not always mean it's a shady deal.Amazon, Newegg, and countless others sell tons of unauthorized stuff every year but the stuff you buy is legit it just means the manufacturer did not authorize them to sell it.Only, in this case, it's keys not authorized by the Publisher.
Example..
https://www.evga.com/products/wheretobuy.aspx
Anyone not on that list did not get the okay to sell the item.I don't see Wal-mart,on that list does that mean I would not trust buying from them and they are shady?
This sums it up...The grey market also referred to as the parallel market, is a market where a product is bought and sold outside of the manufacturer's authorized trading channels
In the end, I was just trying to say what they are doing is a grey market but for some reason, they took that as being bad and then somehow saying I said it was shady.
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80% of the world is GRAY MARKET. Used cars, iphones, whatever.
That's an economical reality, and there is nothing wrong with that.
You can sell your used iPhone. You don't need Apple's authorization. And that doesn't make you shady.
70% is the rating limit at which you are automatically suspended.
You can view the seller's ratings on each trade and decide what your threshold is. It can be 70% or 84%. Whatever makes you happy.
As for profit ... yes, we are a company. We pay wages, taxes, and have to make a living. Not sure what the issue here is?
Over time, our prices went DOWN, and that can be confirmed by anyone using our site long enough.
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.You seem to get defensive about stuff to easily like that whole thing about the grey market you read into that way too much and formed your opinion of what I meant when I never implied grey market was bad but still does not change that is what it is.I don't see what the big deal was but you made it one.
The same way I took some of what you said and how you were doing things as profit being your driving force behind it and just throw the rest together in hopes nobody would notice.I know more now and got more feedback so I now know that is not the case.I don't know who you are or have any history of you so I have to form an opinion on how you react and what you say in this thread.Sometimes I will miss the mark but don't get so defensive about stuff everytime someone pegs you wrong.
Grey markets are a good thing, but like anything, they also can have a dark side.Pretty much everything that can be bought/sold/traded has a grey market but they all also have authorized sources.You will be a grey marker because the keys being offered are not from authorized to distribute keys does not mean you're shady just means your not backed by the publisher.That is not a bad thing but for some reason, just me saying the grey market was enough to satisfy your need that I meant it as shady.We both misunderstood each other's intentions it's fine we are human we make mistakes.
In the end, I never said it was bad nor did I ever imply it was shady.I wish you the best with this system you seem to want to do the right thing and never hurts to have a place to dump leftover keys and maybe get games/bundles you want in exchange.One more I hope you have a system in place to combat fraud on the other end with false claims of nonworking keys and such.This is why the grey market for such things is a slippery slope.As now you have to be the decision maker in who is telling the truth.
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this is just a general reply, I appreciate you were talking to exophyn, so sorry about that :)
perhaps it is that what some people describe as the grey market, I describe as the second hand market (in the same vein as second hand xbox and playstation games being resold (an act that microsoft tried to prevent, but failed in the courts to do so; as it was declared perfectly legal) - no defensive nature intended from me :)
Indeed the resale of spare keys that we own are pre-owned, but unused - which is better (as they cannot be used more than once)
but I appreciate that this is just my opinion - and respect that others might not feel the same way :P
as a final point - "it's keys not authorized by the Publisher" - is in fact not entirely true - if the publisher sold them to indigala, then they are authorised - I then purchase those keys from an authorised seller, as the purchaser I now Legally own them, and as is legal in the EU (under current rules - different in the US I appreciate), I can do with them as I see fit....(current laws tend to supercede any TOS in these instances - and it is probably why places like G2A have not been shut down yet - as no one wants to take that poisoned chalice back to the courts to argue again)
it is a very complex issue though, that I do appreciate - which seems to center on ownership of the items we purchase, but choose not to end up using - for instance, indigala happy hour, there is no way I have that many friends to give away spares to, so just exactly what do indigala think people are going to do with those keys ??? :)
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It's alright both of you have handled it well and were not rude and so on like some people can get.
You're right about sites like IG and so on they know some keys will get re-sold and so on that is out of there control and why they have in it the TOS it's now allowed.So while in a legal standpoint none of it matters so EU law means little in this because you're rights are not being violated.Indie Gala and Humble and other sites like them, however, can ban your account for violating the TOS.I'm not sure how they approach that when it comes to access of keys you already purchased.I know Steam can and will ban your account for major TOS violation but you still have access to your games just nothing else like store, community, friend's list and so on.
So as far as re-selling keys in no place that I know of is that illegal but outside of authorized sources very slim chance you will get support or a refund if you get key revoked or does not work.It pretty much means you accept all risk and in some cases even warranty depending on local laws.
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Please contact us and we will enable your account if it's eligible.
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Ok, the wording in the mail is wierd. Why does the key gets added to my account if I am the seller? ;-> guess both get the same email? ;->
Are there bots? Sold a couple of games instantly (in under 15 seconds). Or was I just lucky? ^^
Really comfortable would be a "set new price" next to "cancle trade" and being able to enter the appid instead of the name.
Further http://store.steampowered.com/app/16000/Discovery_A_Seek_and_Find_Adventure/
is in the list (as "Discovery! A Seek & Find Adventure") but the appid is not updated probably due to the & in the name? Does this still work (selected the right game in the list, but appid stays on -1)?
Oh, and if a trade should be marked "failed" is there a way to contact the buyer/he can contact us? Especially in cases where the key is invalid (i.e. copied with one char missing or something)? Additionally being able to refund a buyer if he marks the trade failed would probably be good (in case I am not sure about my leftovers).
Oh and can you ban keys for games your own shop lists? It kinda hurts my brain sseing games you sell for 1 point being sold in the marketplace for 5 points ;-> Or is it ok to undergo your prices, i.e. offer a game in your shop bought somewhere else~ for 1 point less, then you do?
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Will fix those tiny glitches.
There are no bots or anything such. We do have quite a big user base and trading is very active. Specifically on low priced games.
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have to admit I would prefer it if games you are selling on DIG are not allowed in the market place at all - it is confusing at the very least - either that or you put your verified sales in the marketplace, to show any potential purchasers immediately that there is a cheaper option available and that DIG sells it :)
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This feature is very good.
I bought 3 games that I don't own. 2 works perfectly, but the last key not worked. The game was: "Alien Shooter: Vengeance", and I get "Alien Shooter". This is not the same game. I marked the user negative, but it is not the best option. I lost my money, and I didn't recieved the game. He lost ratings. It will be better if I can write to him the problem, and he should solve it (send back money, change the key, etc...).
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what was the appid for Alien Shooter: Vengeance - as I cannot find that game anywhere on steam - with just a straight search (no it was not one of my for sale items - just so you know :P ) - just interested to know what game it was you thought you were purchasing.
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Thats the one:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/6290
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Thanks for that Klapp
but it is not on the steam shop as a purchasable game? am I correct in that ?
I ask because I wouldn't expect to be able to buy a game on DIG that I cannot buy on steam - does it have a steam store page? As all the people seem to say it was pulled.
Either way, they have a genuine reason to be somewhat annoyed, as you can make giveaways for both Alien Shooter: Vengeance & Alien Shooter - so it looks like it could be either a mistake and someone just did not check that the app id was correct before putting the game code in (I tend to check them all first on steam - as I don't want to give people the wrong game - although even I might get it wrong though sadly) - or they did it on purpose; which is more worrying
sorry this happened to them - perhaps exophyn can look into this one - as I am not sure Alien Shooter: Vengeance should be allowed without an actual purchase page :( - perhaps should be considered as removed from steam
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Yes, Vengance got removed (but there might still be keys out there) you even can buy removed games from DIG directly "Cube Master" and such.
The "normal" Alien Shooter isn't.
Was just the wrong key for the game or the other way around.
Purpose or not is nothing we can figure out ;->
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"Alien Shooter: Vengeance" removed from steam, but it doesn't mean it was never available. It was in DIG "games I didn't own" list in a good price so I bought it. And it was "Alien Shooter" (what I owned).
Maybe it was just a random mistake. My problem is that I can't write it to seller. He will never knows why he get negative rating and he can't fix the issue. So both of us lost.
BTW here is the key, I don't need: ZPDxL-xHKLB-CJxxY - (Replace: xxxx=4962)
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I'll let someone else see about the key, as I have it, but thanks for the drop - I agree, it i annoying, but may have been a mistake - to be honest I think the one that has been removed should not be allowed on DIG, as normally most removed from steam do not return an app id - I could be wrong on that, but I have a few I could not list as they are no longer available on steam (not that one though)
still, accept an appology from me, it is not nice when it happens, and I have gone through it myself before now :( - if I had a key for that one, I would gladly give it to you :)
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We are working on a dispute/communication service which will allow the settlement of such issues.
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Aaaaannnd I'm down to 97% ;-<
If they guy who bought in the last minutes either:
Realms of the Haunting (26points)
Soulbringer (33 points)
The Fool (20 points)
(and marked failed) is reading here:
Pretty sure all my keys are unused, so I either fucked up my keymanagement (and forgot to delete a traded key) or there is some deeper problem. Would have replacement keys, so if you want, add me (bought key is needed for authentification).
Or someone who sells the same games more expensive bought it and wanted to kill my ratings ;-> Guess the illuminaty are behind it ^^.
PS: I know you can't change feedback, but I don't want to rip off people ;->
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yeah - I agree, it is a bit of a hit and hope at the moment - perhaps exo will work out some way of mediating in the distant future? - but I can see that the % do seem to be dropping on ones that had stayed at 100% for some time - and it is unlikely you would get so many bad keys in a row (it would make no sense as far as I can see - but I might be being naieve)
exophyn did say he had analytics on this, so at least he might be able to start spotting abnormalities soon enough - but you time for this - or even tie in to our good standing here - or on on some other trade honesty sort of site - whatever works bestt
though to be fair - I don't have many keys left to get rid of :P - but in the future I would hope it is still around for me to use
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Perhaps a way for seller/buyer to contact each other to work out possible mistakes? I recently bought an apparently 'used' key, but I do know that human error happens so I would have loved to be able to contact the seller prior to rating them to see if it was an honest mistake.
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Which game/ key was it?
See here. I'm now down to 3out of 40 failed... Pulled down all my offers for now, because I either messed up (i.e. put the same batch of keys twice) or someone is fucking with me. Would be really helpful to know which one did not work ^^ (And I have replacements). Don't really like "scamming" people, even if it's only a few cents and even if it's unintentionall, but it leaves a bitter feeling ^^)
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Seems like there still is a glitch somewhere. I had 100% positive trades after selling two Steam keys, now it's at 0% positive traders. Looks like it happened to someone else here before too.
Edit: Still 0% positive trades after selling like 10 Steam keys.
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Feedback:
After posting a trade, I go back to my user profile.
Instead I rather see 2 buttons: [Go to the overview of trades created] [Post another trade]
with all these trades and stores, I'm kinda losing the overview on your site.
I think it would help to have new menu on the top of your site, that shows the structure and links to each part of your site.
As a new member with 0 trade, it shows that I have a 0% Positive trade.
Better to not show this for people who have 0 trades.
It's hard for me to determine what is the best price to set an item for.
Please provide some helpful information to help set a price, like 'current lowest price', number of keys offered for this game, current price in your store, current price in the trade section, etc.
I had some trouble finding where I can see my overview of games being offered for trade and the option to cancel them.
I would not expect them to be in my list of bought bundle keys.
Please make 2 separate pages. 1 for bought keys and 1 for open trades.
I was unable to make a trade for the game "Legend (1994)" as I couldn't find it on the dropdown.
When buying a key, the buyer gets a warning to always check a seller's trade percentage. This trade percentage is however not shown on this page.
It would help to show that information.
In the email the buyer gets after a successful purchaes, it would be nice to add the serial key in that email.
Also the buyer doesn't have to know what the fee is and how much the seller gets. Just put one amount there, the price for the buyer.
After a successful trade a succes page is shown with bad styling (black text on dark background).
https://i.imgur.com/hL9hqlK.png
security issue, mailed you about that on the contact form.
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Those games have some weirdness going on with their AppIDs. For example, Legend of Grimrock doesn't seem to have the right AppID in the DIG link, and Steam redirects the linked page to the correct one (81519 to 207170).
SteamDB reports the 81519 as "Legend of Grimrock Launch Trailer", I guess it was an old page used during launch and it's since changed.
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Hello gamers,
We have just launched the DIG MarketPlace.
This allows our users to sell unused STEAM keys obtained from somewhere else for DIG Points, and purchase various other games from our entire store.
Here is a live list of available games:
http://dailyindiegame.com/content_tradesXT.html
As usual, your feedback is welcome :)
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