What a sad day to be alive when games in which you kill dozens of people with all kinds of weapons can stay but games with sex have to go, making it seem like killing people is more natural and acceptable than copulating.
Steam is becoming a joke.
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+1, I never understood how blowing a hole on someone's head is kids friendly but a pair of tits is unacceptable.
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I did say "if it was realistic it wouldnt be an issue", so basically games like Witcher got 0 issues showing boobs. :p
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No aslong i knew the thing is ,a game is allowed on twitch/steam if its not the main focus of the game or this "Scene " is special content to unlock
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I do think it's a bit hypocritical that they make VNs, dating sims, and generally any anime-based games do that, while other titles, like the Witcher series, Duke Nukem, etc., can include nudity and adult objectives without post-purchase patching. I get that the "ecchi" games focus on that, rather than having it be just part of the game, and even an optional part a lot of the time, but it still doesn't seem equitable.
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"blowing a hole on someone's head is kids friendly but filling a hole is not" would have been funnier.
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I think it's because of the idea the sexual content is not appropriate for young audiences or the fact that Valve doesn't want to host borderline porn games.
Both of those are stupid since Valve wants to be an open platform and as a result, will not curate it and yet here they want to do this.
There is also the fact that you need to use a credit card to pay for those game, so the question here why it does not fall on the parents to be more responsible for what their children consume instead of Valve (the games do have age rating).
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and while we're at it. your picture is lewd! google reverse image search couldn't find anything on it! so you made it? who what is it?
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That's Yuzuriha Inori from Guilty Crown.
edit of this pic: https://abload.de/img/inorici_93116_1407824q4o60.png
into this pic: https://abload.de/img/yuzurihainoriav_by_kygppxp.jpg
also this one: https://pm1.narvii.com/6562/3c38c6479faeff1c2db5e5dcececed40c5a84797_hq.jpg
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Somehow I think it's way sadder that providing virtual "girlfriends" has become a "natural" part of the gaming business. They are not preventing people from copulating.
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That is the U.S. for you. Other things include using English measuring units and calling football and soccer incorrectly.
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Don't forget banning Kinder Surprise and arresting people for carrying them in their luggage.
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We smuggled them in for us anyways. 0_0
But it's stupid because now there's knock-off versions being produced/sold here...
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The British invented the term soccer and called the game soccer long before we did. It distinguishes association football from the other types of football, like rugby football and gridiron (American) football. It wasn't until the 70s that they stopped using the term soccer regularly, and then suddenly everyone got a stick up their butt about it.
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The British invented the term soccer and called the game soccer long before we did.
Yes, but only as an additional term. Football was already used before the 70ies in the UK, especially in official language, easiest examples are the names of the associations.
and then suddenly everyone got a stick up their butt about it.
Most languages already took over many anglicisms, since it had become the most favoured international language of the northwest hemisphere, but in this case North America is the minority and a small player within the worldwide football happenings. Sticking to the term even in international discussions gives the impression to either want to degrade football in relation to American Football (despite the worldwide relevance) or to simply be ignorant. And that provokes such reactions.
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In my experience, most people are just ignorant of the history of the term.
Sticking to the term even in international discussions gives the impression to either want to degrade football in relation to American Football degrade football in relation to American Football . . .
For plenty of American Football fans, this might be true. I don't know. I don't really care about the sports themselves. But I think the bigger issue is that the rest of the world consumes a lot more American media than vice versa, they encounter our specific modes of speech much more often, and since sports are so revered by so many people, they're going to take offense much more quickly than when we say cookie instead of biscuit, or any of the other ways we use the language differently. But my point was that if the UK hadn't shifted away from using the term soccer and started insisting that it was somehow "wrong," the rest of the English-speaking sports community probably wouldn't have either.
However, being upset that 325+ million people, most of whom have to travel 1500 km or more to see another country, and do a lot more exporting of media than importing of it don't conform to a linguistic convention, is ignorant of both linguistics and human nature. It's like how here corn is only maize, while in British English, it can be any grain.
Yes, we are, unfortunately a bit insular, but I can drive 5 hours and not leave the state I live in, let alone the country. And that's not considered a very long trip. (Not a short one, either, but not long.) For most people here, conforming to international standards and speaking foreign languages are utterly divorced from their day-to-day lives, and require a lot more effort. And here, there are 5 major professional sports, and association football is last on that list.
Now, when it comes to the using SI units, I totally agree that the US should go metric, and I don't know too many who don't. It's just inertia and bureaucracy that keeps the imperial system in place here. IMO, the imperial system is a bit nicer for measuring a few things in the realm of day-to-day experience, but not so much so that we couldn't get used to using other units. I wouldn't be surprised to see the US make the switch within my lifetime, though, and sooner, rather than later, as some of the older bureaucrats are phased out. The most often cited reason for not switching is expense (not just to the state, in terms of updating all signage and publications, but also to industry as a whole), but I think that the younger generations (Millenials, Gen Z, and subsequent cohorts), who have grown up in a more connected world, will find the expense much more justifiable.
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Oh, I don't have any issues with anglicisms or the amount of it being used nowadays per sé. There are so many technical terms in German coming from old Greek or Latin and nobody rants about them, because it's just historical and common sense in science. Then there are many imported bonmots from French, and since 2-3 decades it's mostly from BE or AE due to business and popular media. If you turn on a German pop radio station, probably 70% of the songs have English lyrics. And not, because many German bands/musicians would use English.
Though I usually write BE, since we learn it in school here and Oxford English is still the measure of all things, my pronounciation is definitely more AE based due to media. And I somehow prefer the American "can't", though British makes it easier to comprehend can or can't.
I also know that there are many French and even a few German words used in the US, e.g. Kindergarten. Though the EU's role in our politics and society became weightier, there are probably still way more cultural differences between European countries than between the states in the US. Thus I agree with you up on the "bit insular".
However, judging from my own school education and the appearance of news from all over the world in newspapers, shows and websites today, I'm sometimes amazed of the lack of knowledge of US citizens regarding the rest of the world. Unfortunately it's then easy to conclude that some folks just might have had less education possibilities, but also that a part is misled by the thought of being a world power and therefore not have to bother with other cultures, languages etc.
While I absolutely understand why two US citizen would talk about "soccer" then, it's odd to see people sometimes insist on the term when discussing on the web about it. And as a big football fan I like to counter then. ;-)
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there are probably still way more cultural differences between European countries than between the states in the US.
Yep. For you guys, it's a matter of necessity to be more aware of other cultures and languages. I don't know where you are in Germany, but depending on the direction you chose, if you drove 5 hours, you could probably make it to a place that didn't speak German. :) To make sure I had an appropriate understanding of scale, I checked Google Maps, and 5 hours will get you from London to Liverpool by car, with a bit of time to spare, depending on your route, and it takes 10–11 hours to get all the way across France from north to south. For reference, this is the drive I was referring to.
I'm sometimes amazed of the lack of knowledge of US citizens regarding the rest of the world
So are we, to be honest, and let me tell you, we laugh at them just as much.
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Well, I'm no car driver, but according to maps I could make it in less than 3 hours to the Netherlands, around 3 hours to Poland and a bit more than that to Denmark, so you're definitely right there. :)
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FOOT -> BALL
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what the sport is about. What's explanation then for other languages, where there is no 'soccer'? In German it's Fußball, literally meaning football. In Polish it is piłka nożna, literally meaning ball of foot. The only ones with a stick up their butt are the people who can't let go of the word soccer. It's archaic, as you yourself said.
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More like - Steam allows really stupid achievement 900000 Games but is removing good games.
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I have to agree with you. I mean those games don't have sex scenes, but a connotation to sex. While Witcher and many other have sex scenes in them.. And then you have horror games where there is a lot of nudity and gore and yet that is fine.. Hmm..
Well it looks like Valve will do anything they want cause some big shot told them to, a bit sad.. :/
Instead of purging steam from asset flip games and other 1 minute game that are cash grab they want to go for this..
I would like to see if they realy remove will they remove Gal*Gun: Double Peace as well since that game is just ecchi to hell XD
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What horror games? Horror is like my favorite genre and I literally cant think of any.
As for the other games it was just a matter of time. The US is so ass backwards with sex and violence.
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Oh man not sure about names, I saw them when I watch a stream that does Indie games and he likes Horror so a lot of games he chews on and there I saw them.. I could search for names of games if you want XD
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I would just like to point that "steam is becoming a joke" is a slightly erroneous statement. steam has been a joke for some considerable time now. Trash is everywhere, there's no control, Valve does not care about actual issues that users need fixing, and continue on their own merry money making agenda. Valve appears to do the minimum needed to keep steam afloat instead of innovating and pushing forward with improvements like they did when they started out. The only reason they are still at the forefront of the game is that they are a bit of an incumbent at this point. If there was proper competition for steam they would be hurting right now.
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it's not even "sex" in game, but simply nipples in indie and/or japanese games. The Witcher or Pillar of Eternity 2 have more explicit content and won't get removed.
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"Becoming"
I thought it was a joke the moment other retailers started having better sales than steam.This to me is just icing on the cake.
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No, people like you are a joke with not thinking about things rationally.
Movies and TV shows with action, gore and sex are on Netflix.
Porn is not on Netflix.
Games with action, gore and sex are on Steam.
Porn is on Steam.
Get it now?
Valve is changing things, for the better.
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What porn is on Steam?
There are plenty of skinimax type movies on Netflix. 9 Songs was on Netflix for example... Does that mean porn is on Netflix as well?
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You're joking, right? Erotica and very sofctore stuff is one thing... But porn is another.
All of the Sakura games, for example? (Well, except for the first one, that is just veeeeeery pushing-it erotica.)
Or do you see them as "romantic comedies with optional sex scenes", lol?
Or how about... You know... HuniePop? Or do you view it as a "Romantic Comedy Match-3 & dating sim game"?
Or maybe this game: https://i.imgur.com/HeywtTW.png
GOLLY GEE I WONDER WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT???
Come on lad...
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It feels like you are projecting your own morality on others.
The movie 9 Songs had scenes showing full penetration, it was on Netflix, and it isn't classified as porn. Same with the movie Antichrist.
Not sure why you are getting angry over it, and not sure what your point about Netflix even is, to be honest. Cartoon nudity is porn but real life unsimulated sex on Netflix is not?
In my opinion, none of it is porn. Not Sakura, not Hunie, not 9 Songs.
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I am certainly not projecting my own mortality on others.
The movie 9 Songs had scenes showing full penetration, it was on Netflix, and it isn't classified as porn. Same with the movie Antichrist.
That doesn't make them porn. Porn is something different entirely, but is also completely easy to identify.
Why did you even bring those up?
Not sure why you are getting angry over it
I am not, although I am dumb-founded over your response. You're mentioning random movies for no reason and denying that clear porn is porn.
What's next, showing you a Brazzers clip and you responding "that is not porn"?
Cartoon nudity is porn but real life unsimulated sex on Netflix is not?
"Cartoon" nudity, like in the Witcher and a select few Visual Novels is not porn, no.
In my opinion, none of it is porn. Not Sakura, not Hunie
The sexual content in those games is blatantly porn, lol: It is detailed, it is long, it is explicit... It is designed to sexually arouse and stimulate. The games are vehicles for that.
The first Sakura game literally has no actual sex - yet it is a porn game, of the softcore variety.
Also I like how you ignore the obvious ones...
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The thing is, you are portraying your subjective opinion as some sort of fact. There are movies on Netflix that make Sakura games look timid, so why do you bring up Netflix do begin with?
Your not being very logical in your argument when you compare Netflix to Steam is all.
Have a good one! =)
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You're the one doing that! Just because there are a handful of movies with moments of explicit sex (for shock or artistic value) does not change the fact that:
- Netflix doesn't have porn.
- Steam does have porn/hentai games.
Again, you just keep saying "no" but not actually responding or countering the arguments and legitimate examples...
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You said that being designed to arouse and stimulate makes it porn, but you say actual sex isn't porn? So the sex in those movies is made specifically to not arouse anyone or something? And you say games that have sex like Witcher and stuff doesn't ariuse people either? You are the one that brought in Netflix when it has no relation to Steam, and are ignoring his counterpoints that prove what you said was wrong by saying you don't call it what it is....
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Yes, depictions of sex in your average movie and tv show are not porn. What the hell is wrong with you?!?
No, sex in those movies is explicitly NOT made to arouse or stimulate anyone. How can you even claim that?
No, sex in the Witcher is explicitly NOT made to arouse or stimulate anyone. Again, how can you even claim that?
Yes, sex in Nukige and H-Games quite literally IS porn - that's what the name is for!
Those kinds of games are on Steam!
I brought up Netflix as a comparison, a very easy one.
You two are either incredibly delusional or autistic or something...
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Netflix is irrelevant, what does Netflix have to do with Steam? Nothing. You brought it up to make a point that doesn't pass muster.
My point was that the definition of porn is subjective. YOU do not think those movies are porn, but there are people that do think it is porn. Same with the games you mention- some people think it is, others do not.
Who gets to decide if a game is porn? You? Me? Certainly not Netflix. Case in point- the group that lobbied Steam for this change is the same group that lobbied HBO to remove Game of Thrones. The same group that called Game of Thrones porn is the same group you agree with.
You two are either incredibly delusional or autistic or something...
Good luck talking shit and being an ass. Steam already reverted the change, so I guess now you can go pound sand because you never learned to respectfully debate.
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Netflix is irrelevant, what does Netflix have to do with Steam? Nothing. You brought it up to make a point that doesn't pass muster.
Netflix is an incredibly relevant platform in general.
Netflix is relevant in this conversation because I compared the two media-hosting platforms, implying that Steam would love to be as relevant as Netflix for the general populace.
What, pray tell, is unclear here? What point is inaccurate?
who says & group
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day; GoT is not porn, it has graphic scenes because the authors think they have artistic value and/or get views. However, plenty of the games this moronic "Morality" group targeted ARE porn.
Anywho, yeah, no. There is no debate about what is porn or not... It's an easy observation to make that everyone can agree on. "Porn is explicit sexual content meant to cause sexual arousal and facilitate sexual stimulation/masturbation."
This is why it applies to things like HuniePop; even if you argue that it is primarily a game for the sake of the game, the sexual content it possesses is presented in a erotic and pornographic manner (depending on the patch).
Good luck talking shit and being an ass. Steam already reverted the change, so I guess now you can go pound sand because you never learned to respectfully debate.
I'm sorry, it is definitely a mistake to insult - but I quite LITERALLY cannot fathom not being able to tell the difference between sexual content in art and porn. You people are literally claiming that "it is not for me to decide" what is and isn't porn and denying that blatant porn is not so.
Let me simplify this: What you're doing is the equivalent of saying that a Brazzers video is not porn.
Does that sound insane to you? "Who would say that", right?
Well, that is what you and others have been saying and what prompted my frustration.
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Netflix is an incredibly relevant platform in general.
Netflix is relevant in this conversation because I compared the two media-hosting platforms, implying that Steam would love to be as relevant as Netflix for the general populace.
What, pray tell, is unclear here? What point is inaccurate?
Netflix is a publicly traded company that does not have anything to do with games. Media, sure- but that is like comparing a car to a tractor. They both can use the same conduit but they serve two complete different purposes.
You make many assumptions with your comparison- that Steam wants to be like Netflix, that Netflix is only relevant because it 'does not have porn', and that Steam is not relevant for the general populace. All those assumptions can be counter-argued.
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day; GoT is not porn, it has graphic scenes because the authors think they have artistic value and/or get views.
I argue that the same can be said of these games you describe as porn. Many would argue there is artistic merit in these visual novel type games that you classify as porn.
There is no debate about what is porn or not... It's an easy observation to make that everyone can agree on.
What gets classified as porn has been debated for the past 60+ years, and exists largely in the eye of the beholder. Defining what is porn relies heavily on personal morality and culture. 60 years ago, simple nudes were considered porn. Even today, people still do silly things like put clothes on nude statues because they find it to be offensive.
So yes, there is still very much an ongoing debate on what is porn or not. I don't personally find Sakura or Huniepop games to be pornographic, yet you do. Neither of us are wrong, because the determination is something we make for ourselves, not others.
You people are literally claiming that "it is not for me to decide" what is and isn't porn and denying that blatant porn is not so.
It is not for you to decide. Or me. Or Netflix. Actually the only one who gets to decide in this case is Valve.
Let me simplify this: What you're doing is the equivalent of saying that a Brazzers video is not porn.
You are making a false equivalency with a strawman fallacy. I never said that, nor implied it. I stated that in my opinion I do not think these games are porn. Many other people share this opinion, and many people share your opinion as well. It is kind of a silly thing to argue, because there is nothing to prove, it is all subjective and based on one's personal morality and culture. I apologize if my comments led to frustration, it was not intended.
In the end, I understand and respect your opinion and I thank you for your apology as well. I'm personally glad they did not go through with this change, because I am very anti-censorship and believe it becomes a slippery slope that can only lead to groupthink.
Hope you have a great day my friend!
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Netflix is a publicly traded company that does not have anything to do with games. Media, sure- but that is like comparing a car to a tractor. They both can use the same conduit but they serve two complete different purposes.
It is comparing one store to another. End of. Sheesh.
You make many assumptions with your comparison- that Steam wants to be like Netflix, that Netflix is only relevant because it 'does not have porn',
I didn't claim this. Master debater that you are, it is rude to imply that I did.
I simply noted how they don't and how that is a very important factor in public perception.
and that Steam is not relevant for the general populace.
It is indeed not. Surely we do not need to get into a proof-war about whether a movie/TV platform is more popular with all demographics than a PC gaming store?
I argue that the same can be said of these games you describe as porn. Many would argue there is artistic merit in these visual novel type games that you classify as porn.
You cannot argue that because it doesn't make sense. The Sakura games are meant to arouse and stimulate sexually; humor or "quality plot" are bonuses, mostly just vehicles for the pornographic content. Otherwise, why would their main element be rampant sexual content?
There ARE exceptions; again, I DO acknowledge I made a mistake: A very specific list of Games was targeted and some are NOT porn.
Likewise, my overall point is not hindered by this: There are PLENTY of porn games on Steam. If they have a story, it functions FOR the explicit, fetishized content.
You need a list? Start with Melty's Quest and all of other actual H-Games/Nukige games; there is even a Steam Group about them...
debate about what is or isn't porn
Mate, I gave you a definition. That's the definition. Forget everyone else, forget other cultures and societies - YOU, yes YOU tell me what you think about my definition of what is porn.
I KNOW you agree with it.
Apply it to HuniePop and the Sakura games.
???
Profit.
Valve decides
No, Valve knows what is and isn't porn just as much as I do. They allow it because it is "censored" and in that form they get to save face while still selling that type of content.
You are making a false equivalency with a strawman fallacy. I never said that, nor implied it.
I am not making a strawman; I simply boiled-down your words to that single statement.
In other words: You didn't say that "Brazzers is not porn", but by saying that HuniePop and Sakura games are not porn you might as well be.
For me, it is THAT blatant.
In the end, I understand and respect your opinion and I thank you for your apology as well. I'm personally glad they did not go through with this change, because I am very anti-censorship and believe it becomes a slippery slope that can only lead to groupthink.
The anti-censorship waah-waah brigade by the weebs is insufferable; I do not accuse you of this, I am merely pointing out that I usually view such claims with extreme cynicism: "My degenerate hentai is being removed, this is evil censorship by the puritanical Americans, REEEEEEEEEEEE".
I do apologize again, I do not want to insult or hurt others; but although I respect you sticking to logic and proper debating, I do have to implore you to "be real".
Sometimes you just have to "be real"; be practical.
In this case, I'm saying "be real" in the sense that for the average human living in the year 2018, it is very clear what Porn is and isn't (aka you could easily be shown 20 images and give simple answers of "yes/no"); in that sense, there is a clear definition. Further, there are numerous Steam Games that blatantly fall under that category.
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The problem is that defining porn is subjective. It is in the eye of the beholder. I don't get off on nude anime girls; so yes your definition is true and I am applying it directly. Some people get off on pictures of feet, but that doesn't make all pictures of feet pornographic now does it?
Some people might read the Kama Sutra and think it is porn, others might think it was even educational. Some people might play Witcher or GTA and get off on the sexual content, but that doesn't make it porn.
We can argue artistic merit all day and go nowhere, but that would be pointless. My reasoning may not make sense to you, which is fine; but it doesn't make either of us wrong or right because defining porn is subjective and based on personal opinion entirely. I don't believe erotic art is porn.
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It doesn't matter that you don't get off of anime girls; I don't get off of gay porn but if someone shows me a professionally made video of a guy plowing another guy, I will acknowledge that it is porn.
Conversely, if I see two guys kissing and having sex on GoT I will acknowledge that it is a sex scene - meant to illustrate things like lust and love, not be pornographic.
Again, that is why I asked you to just be realistic... Yes "someone" might do that with Kama Sutra, Witcher and GTA, but that just isn't how it works for the majority.
Someone might get off of pictures of a wooden chair... That doesn't mean a bunch of photos of a wooden chair are pornographic. That doesn't negate that an explicit, graphic and detailed sex scene lasting 20+ minutes is porn for literally everyone.
Maybe that is where I can get you to understand? Although we can debate whether the Kama Sutra is porn or not (aka there might be some super-conservatives and prudes that say it is; no one normal will), no one will debate that a Brazzers production is porn.
Which is what I am, again, equating many of the games on Steam to.
As far as artistic merit goes, that is another thing... There is sexual content in art and erotic art on one side, with erotica (aka softcore porn) and hardcore porn on the other. Again, the distinction is clear most of the time.
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As far as artistic merit goes, that is another thing...
To me, that is everything- it is how porn gets defined. In my view, porn is sexual content that contains no artistic merit. Art can be crude, it can be vulgar, even erotic; but art cannot be pornographic in my view. We can delve into the legal definitions of porn and obscenity but honestly that would get pretty boring. ^^
Have you ever taken a photography class? Nude modeling is not inherently pornographic, same with nude drawing. It can be, there is a fine line; but in the end it all lies in the eye of the beholder. Go ask someone who did nude modeling/painting/photography if they feel like they were ever doing porn.
Where do you draw the line? If I draw a picture with 2 stick figures f&#king, would you consider that to be pornographic? What if it was a sculpture? What if it was a sculpture of anime girls getting f&#ked by Cthulhu? ^^
That's why I said before that you may be projecting a bit here. We all look at the world in our own way, and this situation is not as obvious as someone putting an interactive porn video on Steam.
We've probably reached an impasse at this point, so I am going to back out of this topic for now. If you'd prefer to continue, just post in one of my gibs or add me on Steam. Have a great day and thanks! =)
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What I don't understand is how you think a game that has its sexual content removed and only available via patch includes more sexual content than a game that shows explicit sex.
I also don't really understand how people can design sex to be more or less arousing, but apparen It's an indisputable fact that sex is only arousing if it's used in certain circumstances, the one in this case being 2D anime, no other sex on steam is arousing, I guess.
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The games with "uncensored patches" on Steam do not have their sexual content removed; they have their explicit sexual content removed. They remain erotic/pornographic regardless...
Your second statement is baffling. Just... Wow. Have you ever even watched any movie, tv show or porn? Have you ever read a book? Compared all of them?
What's next? "I don't understand how people can design a monster to be more or less scary"?
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Don't forget the two volumes of the movie Nymphomaniac. It has explicit sex, erotica and everything in between.
Also on Netflix.
(depending on your zone, but hey; they're there)
- Blue Is the Warmest Color
- Love (Gaspar Noé's REALLY explicit movie)
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Still not porn.
So, yeah. No need to try and find needles in a haystack.
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Of course they're not porn. Porn by definition is anything sexual which doesn't have any redeeming quality whatsoever. Neither this games are porn. Not even Urotsukidoji is porn with this definition.
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What kind of a asinine definition is that?!?
So HuniePop is not porn because it is a decent match 3 game? That just negates all of the graphic sexual content present for no other reason than to arouse?
Porn is "art" which focuses on graphically presenting sexual content for the sake of sexual arousal, stimulation and masturbatory aid of the viewer.
THAT is the definition of porn; THAT is why HuniePop and the Sakura Games are porn.
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So you just said the games available via Steam are NOT porn, since that content isn't included by default? I'm confused.
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Loads of sexy women and the point of the game being to undress them and get them in sexual situations, all presented in a sexually arousing and fetishized way = yes, it is porn.
Call it erotica, porn, softcore porn - doesn't matter; the pornographic nature is not negated due to censoring of the "good stuff".
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Wait, so loads of sexy women with echo content and stuff makes it porn? Then is Kill-la-Kill and similar anime porn? If so then Netflix does have porn... Because, sexy women, they undress we ever they fight, it fits that description exactly, so yeah, I guess your Netflix point is just another uninformed assumption. If not, I guess it's an admittance that your opinion you claim is fact is really a moot point. Anyways, I'm done with you, making up points and lying about games I guess you haven't played or something, especially because apparently, if the goal of a side story is to strip and sleep with some sluts or something it's okay, but if the main goal of a game is to build a relationship with a girls and it has a patch where they can be naked, it's all of a sudden not.
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Kill-la-Kill and similar anime is definitely questionable. Here and there you have something that might be considered subversive or satirical, but most of it IS just designed to pander to horny otakus. Either way, it still isn't porn... Obviously so, lol.
Either way, not sure why you are so angry or resort to insulting.
Oh and those games you mention - "main goal is to build relationships" - that REALLY depends; there are some that ARE about relationships, though most of them are dumb wish fulfillment rather than romance.
However, many are just porn... And even those that actually have good stories and serious content - why do they need to have those porn scenes in? Optional patch or not, it's one thing if you want to show sex and another if it is just porn.
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My opinion? The Netflix/Steam comparison is not an opinion, it is fact.
What IS my opinion is that it is a change for the better; I like my waifus and ecchis and hentais, but I don't think they belong on Steam.
If they are gonna be there, then they should be completely 100% uncensored and REALLY be there - not this bullshit skirting around the rules... Which is why we have this takedown issue in the first place.
Either "Yes, porn is on Steam" or "No, no porn on Steam". Not "maybe kinda if they kinda censor it and pretend it's not about that".
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I mean, you say sex is in both, but porn isnt (on netflix), while including sex alone in any way already is porn. Other than that, comparing a TV-series host to videogame host never worked, it's like comparing apples with pears.
Either way, I dont see a reason to remove them, if parents did their job correctly. But you have your opinion, I have mine, and it's all good. I'm really not looking for an argument with you, good sir.
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I mean, you say sex is in both, but porn isnt (on netflix), while including sex alone in any way already is porn.
That is not true. Sex in art is one thing, porn is another. It's as simple as that and everyone alive that isn't delusional, weirdly ignorant or autistic can tell the difference within a second.
Other than that, comparing a TV-series host to videogame host never worked, it's like comparing apples with pears.
Were comparing two platforms; one is a mainstream one, the other wants to be. Hence why it applies.
Either way, I dont see a reason to remove them, if parents did their job correctly.
I either want them to be removed (as porn just doesn't fit on a game store) or to be completely uncensored, no bullshit with skirting around the rules and pretending they are not porn (as they are).
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You want them removed and have many (some of them shit echhi games) in your account O.o
I am sorry but some of the games you have and are not being threatened with removal are just 1 day projects and money grabs..
I played HuniePop and as someone said it is a rly nice match 3 game, better then some "real" games, since you call this porn.
If you ask me you rly need to understand the difference between porn and erotic games, movies, novels or what ever..
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Yeah I've won them here, mostly. I enter a lot of stuff.
I also like them, not hiding that.
1 day projects and money grabs
Which ones?
I played HuniePop and as someone said it is a rly nice match 3 game, better then some "real" games, since you call this porn.
It is a nice game, but it is also a porn game. You don't play that game if you want to play a match-3 game, you play it if you want porn.
If you ask me you rly need to understand the difference between porn and erotic games, movies, novels or what ever..
There is a huge difference between porn & erotica vs sexual/mature content in art. That is what you don't seem to get.
Call it porn or erotica, it doesn't matter - games like HuniePop and Sakura series are not "just" sexual/mature content in art.
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I'm starting to understand you, I think. You like porn, so you think the games that have sexual content patches for them, they should just be fully uncensored so you can just get off to them without additional steps. Since the only reason you'd play something like HuniePop is to see "porn" that must be the only reason anyone else would play it, otherwise they're "obviously autistic". It also seems like you like various TV sex, maybe you just fast-forward through the rest of the show just to see your "art" a few times, since if someone showed you a clip of a man plowing another man, you'd acknowledge it as porn, unless that clip was taken from a TV show...
You also said up above that you never claimed Steam wanted to be like Netflix, but you claimed it just above... I think you might not understand autism, either, though it seems like you enjoy throwing it around as an insult.
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Pot calling the kettle black?
Yeah, no, if that is your real impression then you either have mental blocks in place and/or reading disabilities or I did a poor job of explaining myself.
Either way, you're just being an asshole for no particular reason.
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That statement is just baffling, Just... Wow. Have you even read all your other posts? Some other people's? The Steamgift guidelines?
You refuse to see a single point that anyone else here has made and just respond to them calling them mentally challenged or autistic or apparently an asshole, as if that disproves their point, when really it just makes it look like they're right and you need a mirror or something.
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I haven't refused to see "a single point", I've conceded that I had my assumption wrong.
Other than that, what is there to see? How am I supposed to react to people that can't differentiate porn from not-porn?
Please, tell me.
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It's as simple as that and everyone alive that isn't delusional, weirdly ignorant or autistic can tell the difference within a second.
So if people don't agree with you, they are delusional, weirdly ignorant or autistic. Sure, youre always right and there are no language barriers. I was about to agree with you, especially with the
I either want them to be removed (as porn just doesn't fit on a game store) or to be completely uncensored,
but frankly, I dont want to have anything to do with you anymore.
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Who said that? I didn't claim that my opinion is law.
I just said that the difference between art and porn is blatant; black and white difference. That's no more of an opinion than saying "cats and dogs are different".
Mate, you can act all high-and-mighty but if you seriously can't tell the difference between art and porn then you are everything I accused you of.
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Just interested pin up drawings are art for you or porn?
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Pin-up art, just like "glamour photography", is incredibly vague and case-by-case basis type of thing.
It can absolutely be artistic - but even then, it is also highly erotic by nature.
There are three things in my eyes: Artistic erotica, erotica (softcore porn) and (hardcore) porn.
The first is about the beauty and aesthetic of the human body; in the case of pin-up art, it is specifically about the more innocent approach to "sexy" and simply pleasing aesthetics.
The latter two are basically the same thing - the point is to arouse and stimulate; there is no point in trying to make a distinction between the two, as an average dude will sometimes get horny from non-nudes and masturbate to hardcore porn and sometimes even do the converse!
As such, the only actual difference is whether the focus is on the body or on the sex.
So to answer your question: Pin-up art can be both art and just "porn". Unlike blatant porn, it is reasonable to say that individual pin-up pieces can be simultaneously both for different people.
This is why I mentioned glamour photography (think Page 3 girls and stuff like that); is there any artistic value in that? Not really, no, even if it features good photography. As such, it is porn - although, again, the "softcore erotica" kind.
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Anyone: posts a quote from you
You: Who said that? I'm just saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. You must be autistic or something.
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Well, claims of autism actually start to have weight if people display incredibly lacking perception and gross interpretation of simple words...
And I didn't say that I am right and that everyone is wrong; I even admitted to be wrong about the cause of all of this - I thought it was just Steam deciding enough is enough, not some moronic outsider "morality" group filling complaints. I definitely got it wrong.
What I was trying to illustrate was the Netflix comparison (still legitimate and accurate, if seemingly not relevant) as well as that so many people responded with incredibly thick-headed and delusional replies.
People were literally saying that serious cinematic movies were porn because of sexual content and that blatant anime porn is, well, not so.
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Yeah, sure, claims of autism start to have weight if people display incredibly lacking perception and gross interpretation of simple words. But The one person showing that the most definitely doesn't have to worry about that, because they're an omnipotent God who knows everyone's intentions when it comes to games and shows, and whose final word is law on what is porn and what isn't. Makes sense to me.
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I didn't claim any of that; again, if you honestly believe that then either you have a problem with reading or I have a problem with writing.
I admitted to being frustrated to the crazy claims people have made; but you're just going overboard with the insults.
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The thing may be (I'm not an expert) that while playing games about killing people you do know that what you do is wrong and you should not do that in real life. On the other hand sex is a normal thing to do and showing it in a "wrong" way in date-sims and the likes (like, you can date anyone, you can push really hard and maybe you'll get it or you can stalk a girl into liking you) may have a negative inffluence on kids.
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It's refreshing to see a different approach to the discussion.
Personally, although I agree with you, it's definitely a minor factor at best.
The thing is: Yes, neither depicting sex nor violence - regardless of what kind - should be such a big deal.
But it isn't and, well, that is just how it is for now; change is slow and gradual.
Yet the weebs are making this out as a "those damn SJWs! Damn American puritans!" narrative... Which is just delusion.
The real situation at hand is that it is a matter of Mature Content vs Porn.
Steam wants to be a serious retailer - so, just like for example Netflix, they don't want porn on their platform.
Hence why we have this situation of removing the actual, you know, porn games, although I do understand some not-porn games are threatened too; doesn't help that anime games have a "bad" rep.
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Who knows whats wrong or good regarding killing people? Children?
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-02-02-the-military-recruitment-of-gamers
https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/us-army-spends-32-8-million-on-propaganda-videogame-657121
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did you mean to type vocal minority and claim that weebs are less the majority and just the noisiest? or are you agreeing with him but also calling them obnoxious?
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Weebs are a vocal majority which is why people call them a majority. I asure you ppl who dont care for anime and manga are a silent majority and are way more.
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the smaller group can't be a majority, that isn't how the word works
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Something can't be a vocal majority without being a majority. Please take a math class.
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Majority means >50%
So according to you, weebs make up >50% of steam users. And people who don't like anime ALSO make up >50% of steam users. So what, there are 120% users on steam? According to you, if you take 100 randoms team users, 55 will be weebs, and 55 won't like anime. You do realize that doesn't add up, right?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority
"a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total"
"More than half of steam users are weebs. Also, more than half of steam users don't like anime" -kapy
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Majority: More than half
The phrase you are looking for is "vocal minority"
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when you freaken learn what's a vocal majority then you can speak with me.
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Majority: >50%
According to you, >50% of steam users are weebs, and >50% of steam users don't like anime. this is impossible, because that adds up to more than 100%.
"Weebs are a vocal majority"
"ppl who dont care for anime and manga are a silent majority"
If you have 100 steam users, 51 or more in a group are a "majority", and 49 or fewer in a group are a "minority". If weebs are a majority, then there are 51 or more weebs. If people who don't like anime are also a majority, then there are 51 or more users who don't like anime. This means that out of 100 users, there must be a minimum of 102 users. This is not possible.
The phrase you are looking for is "vocal minority". You can not have two opposing/mutually-exclusive majorities.
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that isn't how the phrase works. your point is mute
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There is no such thing as a "vocal majority", as the entire point of the phrase "vocal minority" is to illustrate that the smaller part of the population is louder and creates a false image of the majority.
"Vocal majority" is in that sense an oxymoron; further, the majority IS always silent, since that is just how humans are.
So stop insulting people, take a step back and reassess that you got things wrong.
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I literally put a link to the webster definition of "majority" and they still think that you can have 60% of people for something and 60% against. They'll sooner delete their steam account than admit to being wrong.
Also, screenshotting them harassing me on steam, so it might be a bit MORE than a couple weeks
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I agree 110%! sorry, couldn't resist :X
Regardless, he shouldn't go around calling people "retard." Not very nice at all.
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Harrassing you on Steam? What a dumbass...
I wouldn't ever do that, especially with that cute avatar. :D
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+1
Ah, have another one
+1
Some people are just blockheads, they are not willing to learn.
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well. Now you are taking this discussion/argument in the wrong direction. You are correct about a "vocal minority" illustrating a false image of the majority. Nevertheless, this is NOT always the case.
The majority is NOT always silent. There are a myriad of cases in which one can illustrate a "vocal majority" and a "silent minority."
Side note: KAPY stated what he was attempting to communicate, poorly/wrong. He meant to say, "of those who are vocal about this issues, weebs are a majority" or "the major vocals."
KAPY wanted majority to be the adjective describing the noun of "those who are vocal." English has a bad habit of turning adjectives into nouns--"refuge of the damned" instead of "refuge of people who are damned." or "refuge of the damned people"
KINNE was trying to correct it, but it had everything to do about how a language is designed to communicate, not math. Language develops by an entire population over time, the language police only have so much power before they can be overwhelmed by the masses who insist on communicating another way. In another world, KAPY could be correct.
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I said that a "vocal majority" doesn't per say exist, because it is in human nature for most people to keep to themselves unless strongly probed.
A lot of people vote (see, even there plenty don't); however, few actually go and speak "out loud", literally or figuratively, about their political beliefs.
Yet, when trying to get a consensus about political beliefs in a state/region, observers go off of what they can see and hear: the vocal minority.
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Euroboardgames deserves a medal and to be considered the Albert Einstein of the community, as it seems he's the only person who understands what I speak. But instead people prefed to attack me ^^ Guess he'll be my first whitelist for the whole 6 years of my account existing here.
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A reminder to our users to keep their discussion civil.
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Is it time to grab the pitchforks and walk towards valve HQ again? I don't get why they don't simply add an adults only or 18+ section to the store and be done with this back and forth, they know they have an adult audience that's ok with this content being on steam, just keep the kids away from those games somehow and stop acting all puritan.
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I'm not even the main target audience of that genre(?) of games but as an adult using steam who never ran into any other user under the age of 16 I'm kinda baffled by the attitude they have.
Also they're almost a practical monopoly.
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"They're not censoring anyone."
Wha....
That's like saying that North Korea doesn't censor their people because the population can always go to America or Europe to say/do the things they want. It's still censorship. The definition of censorship is very clear about that.
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Is that quote from Wikipedia? Because that page has a section about video game censorship.
Seems video game censorship is a thing. Censorship isn't just political.
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He seems to be confusing censorship with martial law enforcement of some form.
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Censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable
This is provided by Merriam Webster. This is also exactly what steam is doing. IF McDonalds stopped selling sugary drinks due to a moral issue then yes it would technically fit the definition of censorship; not that it has to; because sugary drinks and electronic materials in this context have about as much in common as meatloaf and a blue yeti microphone have at the dinner table. Censorship also has nothing to do with arresting. It is all about suppressing the availability of an object/material.
I have unfortunately majored in English since I lack any other realworldly skills outside of journalism; so excuse me if I get picky when I see someone confuse censorship with some idea that I still can't quite comprehend that seems focused around judical enforcement of nonexistent laws that you're implying I claim exist.
And just in case you don't like Merriam-Webster for whatever reason, here is Oxford.
"Examine (a book, film, etc.) officially and suppress unacceptable parts of it."
Which again, is exactly what steam is doing. Suppressing "unacceptable" parts of a form of media.
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Because they would actually need a process to verify your age which means putting in some extra work and they can't do that since they are too busy counting money. Age verification would also help a lot regarding censored/cut games in some countries but unless Valve starts losing significant money over this, it won't happen.
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How can they verify your age? They'd need to get IDs from every single steam user. To confirm they are 18.
As we all know those "put your age to continue" boxes aren't worth a penny.
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Only of those that want to enter the +18 section. But Valve will go the easy way and just put the burden on the developers. At least until it's a big money game that would actually hurt them financially.
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Only of those that want to enter the +18 section.
Still too many people. Support is already slow a shit. No one wants a system that takes a year to get approved.
At least until it's a big money game that would actually hurt them financially.
There are already big money games that are not on Steam. It doesn't hurt them financially.
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then why there are not such things when you buy/play The Witcher 3 & co?
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Why do they even need an adult or 18+ section? You can't buy games without a credit card, and you can't get a credit card without being 18, thus everyone who's buying games on Steam with credit cards is either 18+ or has someone 18+ to supervise them and give them a credit card to use. Just limit what can be shown on the store page, which they do already, and they're set.
It's not Valve's responsibility to make sure that young children don't play games that aren't appropriate for them, it's the responsibility of the parents. And Valve have made it so easy for parents to check on a game, that it only takes the minimum effort. Just go to the store page on Steam and you'll see the Nudity and Sexual Content tags for a game that has it.
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Kids can have debit cards. At least here. It's enough to be 13, parents give you CC and decide how much money they want to put on it. It allows to make normal internet shopping, withdrawal money from ATMs etc.
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You can tell parents to give you giftcard, then you can buy whatever you want.
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Tags doesn't mean much, some games for kids have "psychological horror" tags for example.
It would be better if steam store page would show in visible place PEGI rating. But it doesn't. It doesn't even load it properly, as you can see it when browsing Fallourt4 or Wolfenstein: New Order, but not when you browse Witcher 3
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Kids can also buy giftcards with cash by themselves.
There is also an option to pay with paysafecard.
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Yep. It was mostly to break down this "why do we need 18+ section, only people 18+ can have CC anyway".
And I thought about those steam gift cards GAs made by CG today - in theory SG can be used only by people 16+, but there is no way to check it. And <16 y/o kid can win this card and buy whatever they want.
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In the US, you cannot have a debit card without your parents signing off on it. I don't know if that's different elsewhere. In any case, I would argue that in both your examples parents are giving kids money, they should monitor what their kids do with it, so the responsibility still falls on the parents. Parents should be monitoring what their kids are playing regardless.
I think the onus for protecting children from questionable material should shift from stores to parents. If my kids are playing a game they're not supposed to be, I believe it is my fault for not paying enough attention, rather than the fault of the store for selling the game.
I mean, there's all sorts of inappropriate content for children out on the internet. It's not the ISP's or PornHub's responsibility to keep my kids safe online. Likewise, it's not Steam's responsibility to watch what my kids play.
I do agree that Steam should make it easier for parents to evaluate games, with prominent PEGI ratings. And and game tagged "psychological horror" would give me pause, and be cause for further investigation.
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I think the onus for protecting children from questionable material should shift from stores to parents.
So much this.
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I agree with you in that the responsability of protecting children is with their parents and not with the stores, but the CC method you propose does have a few holes since steam offers multiple payment methods in many countries and some are cash based with no age verification. I would rather just have valve ask me for my ID, but god knows how to do that in a legally feasible way in all the countries steam offers its services.
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Too bad, it's a far better game than most of the trash on Steam
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Yep! And it absolutely sucks how i would rather not gift it to my mum who LOVES match-3 games, only due to it´s titty nature :E
That is the one instance where i´d hope for a clean version, other than that: bad volvo, bad!
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+1 i hate it ,i mean we already needed to use handy verification to remove trade restriction of 15dayss
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There is a script that removes the useless confirmation screen. I think it was integrated into "Enhanced Steam".
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Dont like these games anyhow. But removing such games and leaving all the trash in the store seems so hypocritical from them.
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I agree. Never played any of them, but see no reason to remove them when they are already censored and patches are not directly linked on steam according to many news sourced, but one would need figure it out on their own that such patch exist and visit dev website to download it.
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Of course, games where you blow or chop heads off are fine, but boobs are taboo.
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I'm disappointed in Valve for sure, but I'm not surprised - it was only a matter of time. All platforms are moving towards stricter and stricter no-porn policies, and since there's no legal definition of what porn is it hits pretty much anything that has any depiction of sexual nudity (as opposed to casual or humorous or non-sexual storyline nudity). The lack of any strict definitions also makes it so that it's easy for them to "overlook" things in games that are more profitable to them - AAA games - and strike down on the indie producers and small studios.
I really hate to say it but stuff like this makes me wish there WAS a firm legal definition of pornography so that companies could feel more secure in what they can allow and not. Because that's what it comes down to - it's not that Steam don't want us to see porn, they couldn't care less as long as they get paid and it doesn't hurt their image, but they have a legal responsibility in the US to not give or sell pornographic content to people under 18 and there are groups out there that are just all too happy to sue if they find a good enough case.
They are just covering their own ass.
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Well, regardless of if you agree or not, if they were restricting what they considered "porn" equally that would be a legitimate excuse as to why it's happening.
The issue I see is that it ISN'T being equally enforced. It is heavily targeted towards "anime" style games/VNs.
Considering most porn sites in the US can "cover" themselves with a checkbox for age verification it's entirely retarded to pretend that protecting children is the reason Steam is suddenly cracking down. Steam could just as easily protect themselves with age verification if that was good enough (and they do have age verification).
This sounds like another case similar to Hatred getting removed from Steam before Newell himself came in and "corrected" the issue.
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I am getting worried. Will they remove the witcher series next? Or Fallout? Hey, I can put a lot of boobs with mods
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Skyrim literally has hardcore sex mods with some extreme and even illegal fetishes. Urgh.
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Yeah? Which mods exactly are you talking about? Just for... avoiding them
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They are located on sexlabs if I remember correctly. It is a site for adult mods of a number of games.
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Then that's off-Steam. It'd only create a problem if those were featured on Steam's workshop, only then would Valve need to put attention to it.
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"Aw, those disgusting ex-girlfriend porno sites! I mean, there's so many of them, though!"
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Steam....Gabe....
Since when did you change your class to "Kim Jong Il"?
It's too heavy and can not be launched with a long-range ballistic missile.
Throw away games you can not enjoy.
That's good.
Throwing out enjoyable games.
It's ridiculous to throw it away.
Repression of expressions is not permitted.
or
Steam should build the country and install Server there and protect it.
A good vacant land on the peninsula of East Asia can be made?
You may declare a "New Country" by launching Server on an artificial satellite.
Anyway that kind of correspondence is necessary.
Huh? it's a joke. As usual "It is crazy".
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Although I'm not a fan of this kind of "games" (if they can even be considered games), it's totally shitty not to allow people to play whatever they want. What's their problem if an adult gamer wants to play these games?
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I know there are games on steam that are basically pornography and for me, a game like Material Girl would be a pretty good candidate to be removed, since even the "plot" is all about a girl being molested and stuff.
But HuniePop and other games with actual gameplay, or/and a nice story?
Aye, a lot of VNs include scenes with nudity (or even sex, if you apply a patch), but so does (almost) every Hollywood Movie.
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Violence, gore, incorrect representations of war, asset flips, stolen content. Are safe, thanks valve!
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Then Steam should only be a platform for kid games? There are many good games that involve violence, gore, war etc. It's asset flips and stolen content that should take the focus, not everything you just mentioned.
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Nuuu! Why, Steam?! Getting rid of all those asset flips and barely playable games should be more of a priority compared to sorta porn! Question: Wyatt Derp vs. Nekopara -- which one gives Valve a dodgier image? Come on, Gabe! D:
Yeah, I get that there are probably legal requirements or something that they have to abide by, but Christ's sake, I think it should be a crime to make games as bad as WYATT F[REMOVED BY VALVE FOR SEXUAL IMPLICATIONS]KING DERP. Say what you want, but at least Huniepop is playable.
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As much fun as I’ve had gifting games here on SG, I know in my heart that GOG is the better service. There are still standards for what can make it on GOG and NO DRM > Trendy DRM.
When Steam opened the floodgates and let people put absolute garbage up for sale they made it harder for good games and good devs to get the attention they deserve.
Steam is ripe for destruction. The End is Nigh.
See you all soon on GOGgifts.com in about 5 years.
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GOG are way too picky when it comes to allowing games on their platform. They rejected so many awesome indie games it's ridiculous.
While Steam is flooded with trash there are also tons of gems that can't be found on GOG. I'd rather use a platform where you get a lot of choice than one where a lot of good games aren't available.
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Thomas was alone and Wings of Vi come to my mind
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I've played TWA and it was excellent. I digged a bit and found a thread about this, so you're definitely right, thank you a lot for letting me know.
Now I wonder why the hell they'd decide to do something like that. I want to believe that it was just some 4 years old mistake, but I doubt it. Still, I don't want to assume things, because there is no official word from GOG regarding that, and there could be something deeper here, such as the dev not wanting to comply with the rules or such. It's easy to say "they rejected it", but based on my experience I'm more likely to believe that they just didn't agree upon anything, perhaps because of unfavourable contract - I very much doubt GOG would outright reject it without any way to correct the underlying problem.
Still, considering this game is on Steam and dev took his time and willings to put it on GOG, they should do their best to make it happen. I'm disappointed.
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Well no system it's perfect and GOG doesn't say why games aren't getting approved, I also loved TWA and back in the day it was a ''popular'' game so the reasons must be an error or just a disagreement
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murica
You can have assault riffle, but you cant show boobs.
logical
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Oh no...the sequel is not gonna be able to come over...
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https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Sentinels_of_the_Store#announcements/detail/1663396514842381090 Here's a full list of all games this is currently affecting.
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I was joking though, but ehm, maybe someone uses that!
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Oh and if Steam is all about enforcing rules then how about adhering to the new EU court ruling that says I can sell the games I have on it and will never play again to other users?
Killing the trading market was bad enough. Overcharging certain markets (like our Autrailian friends for example) has been bad enough. Now you want to start making time sensitive demands on developers when you had no qualms about taking a chunk out of every sale they made?
And the biggest joke is that Valve has done nothing on its own for a long time. An eternity in video game years. Why make a new L4D or HL3 when you can just keep raking in money from other people’s work and games that revolve around in game purchases?
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And don't forget Steam keys. It's ok, even recommended, to resell physical goods you purchase if you don't want to keep them or if you're in a business for it, especially for profits. How is it frowned on or even (seen as) wrong to do this with Steam keys, if you paid money for them? Many bundle sites say "for your own use only." So these keys are digital, what's really the difference? I spend my money, I can decide what I do with what I purchase. And I know that's what the laws in Europe state, though I'm in the USA. Now granted, I DO make sure and use every key on my own accounts if I don't own the game there already, be it Steam, (the sadly defunct) Desura, Origin, Uplay, itch.io etc, and only trade my keys if I already have the game on that platform it's for. I don't even resell for profit out of respect for the dev, although I should be able to by law if I so chose. "But it's hurting the developers!" people say. Come on, it's capitalism, get over it I say!
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Well a current plan that someone is putting forth that I was reading about on Polygon.com suggested a proposal where devs/publishers would get a sizable chunk of the reselling of digitally owned games. This plan actually only had 25% of the sale going back to the account holder and the remaining 75%, if it were put into practice --- either voluntarily or by force by Valve for instance --- that remaining 75% would get split up between Valve and the makers of the game.
And yeah that might sound like getting taken advantage of or being lowballed to see what the least amount the public would be willing to accept, but I wouldn't want to see instances where companies effectively never made another cent off of their game because there was a market that had become flooded with resell copies trying to undercut other resell copies. Imagine if Game X had as many used copies for sale as there are TF2 crates listed for sale, with thousands and thousands of copies listed for one cent. That would be devastating to the industry and cause irreparable damage and chaos.
There has to be something set up to prevent that nightmare scenario and maybe something like that 25%/25%/50% split is on the right track.
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That may be so, but I'm not sure about resellers only getting 25% of the money, that other 75% speaks of serious (corporate and otherwise) greed to me. And this doesn't happen with physical goods, for instance buy a brand new blu ray movie, yes your money should be distributed not just to the store you bought if from but also to the people who made and released the movie. But let's say you decide you don't like the movie and want to resell it later, should you only get 25% of the price you put it up for? There'd be an outrage, and rightly so. Plus that'd give royalties a very bad name. When you buy something, you have the rights to what you buy, and it's your right to get 100% in resells, and getting profit too, which if you can pull off, just means you're a successful salesman, not a thief. There's no difference in digital goods, only that they're not physically visible, I don't see why there should be stiff rules and policies applied to them.
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If you read the fine print, we don't technically own anything with digital games, just a license to use the software. At this point I own over 1k games on Steam and I'm not actively playing any of them on a regular basis. I would gladly take a fraction of a fraction of what I originally paid for any of them because at this point they have no value.
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Okay... let's just pretend like this is fine and whatever.
Will they now remove The Witcher 2 and The Witcher 3, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Conan Exiles, Rust, House Party, Attack on Titan 2, Both South Park Games, Outlast, Outlast 2, Wolfenstein 2: The New Colossus, L.A. Noire, the Mafia games and many more?
I dare them to remove around 5% of their library, which includes some of their best and most successful games on the platform.
Do it, you pussies.
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House Party is terrible, there's a lot of things bad in that game.
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Okay, I guess removing it is now fine.
I don't support this thing, but feel free to do so.
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The rest of the games you listed I would take offense to getting removed. The odd game out was House Party, which allows the player to take advantage of women in lots of horrible ways, if he so chooses. It's completely different from all the other games you listed in scope, plot, intentions, etc.
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I just took the games that were successful on Steam.
But fair enough.
EDIT: Just to clarify, all the games share only one thing really, which is the thing that Huniepop was threatened to be removed for, which is nudity.
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I read the article, it's just some duckhead who saw nude shoulders and thought "wow, that is porn" so he reported the games to Valve.
I don't think they will be removed as there is no evidence this is porn.
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Considering the fact that Valve already sent a warning letter letting them know their game is getting removed unless they change it, there's a big risk.
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Valve has already emailed developers, saying that they need to bring their games in line with Valve's standards or they will be removed. The risk of removal is very real.
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But according to the article, they never said WHAT those standards were
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And that's part of the problem. Valve is very vague about what their standards are, don't say what needs to be censored, and there's confusion all around.
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I'll not comment on the matter of "assault rifles are ok, boobs aren't", but more of why these games and not the other thousands of games that are straight up trash?
Some games, their sprites(if you can call that) are made on Paint! On freaking MSPaint! Why is that even a thing!
I'm ok for them taking adult games out of the store, I'm just not ok where they have their priorities. Prioritize the trash first!
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To be fair:
- there's no reason why you couldn't make a quality sprite in MS Paint, if you knew what you were doing when it comes to pixel art. When I do it, I need the help of layers, and the other conveniences of Photoshop, but when your canvas is only 64×64 or some other small size, it would be doable. It's more about the effort invested,and the talent of the spriter, rather than the tool used, when it comes to the artistic merit of the sprite.
- Modern MS Paint has actually come a long way. It's certainly not Photoshop, but it's much more elegant and user-friendly than it used to be.
Only after typing most of that, did I realize that you probably meant games that weren't pixel-art based, and used "HD" sprites that were just slap jobs. Peace Phantom certainly comes to mind. And check out that quality gradient background!
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Fair. I use paint myself if I want some minor changes to pictures, and I have friends that made great things on paint.
The example you gave is perfect.The kid is talented though! I've never seen a gradient like that made on paint! Impressive! :p
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There's also Gimp, which is ALMOST exactly as good as Photoshop, and is completely and legally free.
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Yep, great piece of software, and if I hadn't bought CS4 back when I was in school, it's what I'd be using.
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Simulations of torturing, slaughtering, ambush, murdering people are still allowed.
World and morality are safe.
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Oh my...
I have a lot unused keys (yet) from this publisher
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekai_Project
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https://techraptor.net/content/huniepop-other-adult-games-facing-removal-steam-store
This is going to be big. What are your thoughts?
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