This announcement means absolutely nothing. First of all, how many years after Vista's release was it before a handful of games started requiring DX10? Three? Maybe four? How many games do you know that require DX11? None come to mind. It would be financial suicide for a developer to only support DX11 right now, or DX11.1 or DX11.2 for that matter. So whatever version of DirectX that Windows 8.1 is going to support is absolutely irrelevant to the vast majority of users for the next several years. By the time it matters, I will have already migrated to Windows 9 or 10.
Secondly, DX11.1 and DX11.2 bring absolutely nothing of interest to the table. Remember DX10.1? Yeah, neither does anyone else. Small feature upgrades are not something that developers rush to support. DX11.2 itself is a joke. First of all, the extra video memory means very little since most games aren't exceeding the available memory on modern gaming hardware. If a game is exceeding it then your hardware is already obsolete. What serious gamers are still using 256MB video cards anymore? Besides, has anyone heard of Hypermemory? It's been around for ages, and not just for embedded graphics solutions. It does exactly what DX11.2 does. You don't have it? Well then upgrade to AMD and you will. At the moment I have an HD7870 which is equipped with 2GB of GDDR. My PC also has 32GB of DDR3-1866. I'm certainly not using all that memory for applications but my Catalyst drivers do take advantage of it. Yep I have almost 20GB of video memory, most of it coming from main memory... and nary a Win8.1 in sight. All I needed was Win7 x64 Ultimate Edition so that it can address more than 16GB of installed RAM. You don't have Ultimate Edition? That's ok because every edition of Win7 x64 still supports more than enough for a nice boost in video memory. MS can shove their announcement up their ass.
The point is that nobody is shafted by using Win7. If you want or have Win8 or 8.1 then great for you, and yes it does have some nice under-the-hood improvements but for gamers it still means very little. A framerate difference of only 1-2% improvement at best on high-end hardware is not something I am going to upgrade for.
I'm not faulting the OP for mentioning a legitimate article, but I am faulting MS for making such a bullshit press release. They got burned on the XBone and they know it. It's time for some damage control and FUD, baby!
TLDNR: You can safely ignore the MS announcement.
edit: I added some citations for clarity. Also, here are some benchmarks that Google turned up. Actually I just realized that these show Win8 as being a little slower (which was not my intention) but you can Google your own results. I'm sure that some of the lost performance here is due to drivers not being fully optimized for Win8.
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developer's view - situation la Windows Vista DX10 era
68% with Windows 7 , DirectX 11.0+some might installed feature update to partial 11.1
14% with Windows 8 , DirectX 11.1
0.01% with Windows 8.1 , DirectX 11.2
08% with Windows Vista , DirectX 11.0
10% with XPs , obsolete DirectX 9
let's be optimistic and say all 18% Vista/XP users go and buy this year new PC with Windows 8.1
and even more optimistic, let say all 100% Windows 8 owners update to 8.1
then You still on 32% Windows 8.1 , DirectX 11.2 ...
any reason to hurry ? not at all ...
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There are more games that require DX11?
I personally know only about Crysis 3.
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Yeah but it's not required. It falls back to DX9 if I recall correctly. My gf only has an HD5770 and the tesselation and other DX11 features kill the framerate, but you can turn off DX11 completely in the settings menu. The game came out in 2010, around the same time as Win7, so it would have hurt the game's sales if it only supported DX11 at the time.
Which reminds me, I should drop my old HD6870 into her pc one of these days.
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Wait a minute, so you bought an Ultimate license and 32GB of DDR3, but nothing better than a 7870?
What do you use your computer for?
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I do mostly gaming on that particular PC but since I only play at 1920x1200 with 8x AA I can hit 60fps in every single game except Far Cry 3 (and I can still get over 50fps) so anything more than my HD7870 is kinda pointless right now. When I eventually replace my monitors with something bigger then obviously I will upgrade graphics subsystem too.
Of course there are also some games I don't have yet, like Crysis 3. I upgrade about once a year but I don't see much point in replacing my card again until the HD8870 is out.
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Still, why suck a ludicrously high amount of RAM? Do you run virtual machines / do any kind of virtualization? Do you do high fidelity lossless audio encoding? Or video rendering?
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When I was putting the PC together 6 months ago the RAM happened to cost just a little bit more than 16GB, so why not. I already had the Ultimate licence so I migrated it over from my previous gaming PC. I haven't used VMware lately but yeah I did for a while. Besides, any memory that isn't used will automatically go towards the Windows disk cache. Honestly though I don't see 32GB as being all that much, but I work with servers so I'm probably locked into that mindset. If this board would have accepted 64GB then I probably would have installed it, as pointless as it might have been for a gaming PC.
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lol, in that case I dig you. If the price diff. was indeed tiny, sure, why not. Especially considering the type of guy you then are xD
Reminds me of talks on the work floor with the guys over at the linux departement when I was working with Junipers, managing virtual ports and setting ARP tables for the top 2000 business cust. of KPN here in NL, the "I work with servers so I'm probably locked into that mindset" bit :P
Considering your nickname btw, here's some music you might like that I was just listening to:
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I was trying to rescue this thread before it went completely fucking sideways, but I failed miserably as usual.
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I wouldn't have a problem if the whole UI wasn't forced to work as if i had a touchscreen, or i'd need to look deep into the OS to find features which in the last OS were 4 clicks away.
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The problem with Win8 is that the layout it's more suitable for tablets than PCs
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luckily my graphics card has 3gb vram i wont really need the extra vram for a while, directx11.2 wont really help me, so I am fine with windows 7
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I'll go to Win8 too eventually. Win 8.1 is coming out later this year and it'll fix some things.
This isn't really a problem.
When Vista came out it was bad. And they pulled the same shit. DX10 ran only on Vista. But they patched it and by SP2 it was a pretty good OS.
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Windows 8 gave me a handful FPS boost on all my games.
I feel like I'm free from such the slow and clunky mess Windows 7 was.
And Metro isn't as bad as everyone says. No one likes it because everyone is afraid of change. It's just like Facebook Timeline. When it was optional, no one used it because everyone thought it was crap. When everyone was forced to, it gradually became familiar and easy to use. The old design became ugly.
IMO the people that hate Metro with the only reason being "it's different, different things are bad" are the same people that hate Diablo 3 because it isn't a Diablo 2 remake. Fear of change is one of the worst fears.
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Same here, win 8 for half a year now, works like a charm, and I've noticed about 20% performance boost in games. Don't judge win8 without trying it. P.s. I recommend Classic Shell to get rid of the annoying dashboard and to have start menu.
What I do wonder, on the other hand, is if we will need to get new gpu with dx 11.2 or will our gpus that support dx11 be able to just use this new one also...
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You're right there, that was my judgement talking. Main thing about 8 is that fundamentally, i see (and saw) no need for an upgrade in the first place; that, plus the change in the UI, which to me seems to be aimed more towards mobile devices, is something that's not quite appaling.
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Actually, XP was better than Vista, according to practically everything I read about it and my own personal experience. It was slower and less efficient because it was bogged down with a lot of crap. I still prefer XP over 7 myself, but that's just personal opinion, since my experiences with 7 have been less than pleasant.
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I don't understand people like you claming xp was better than Vista. It is utter BS: When XP came out it was slower, required more resources than 98(se) AND had no proper drivers or compatability with certain hardware. It was the exact same thing as Vista, but at least Vista introduced 64 bit in a useful version. XP crashed a lot more than Vista ever did, and XP did not become good until SP2 was released (which introduced exclusively dx 9c). SP2 was released in 2004, 3!! years after the original OS.
When people say that XP was better than Vista, they simply have no clue what they are talking about.
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I don't understand people like you claming Vista was better than Xp. It is utter BS: when Vista came out, it was slower, required more resources than XP AND had no proper drivers or compatability with certain hardware. It was the exact same thing as XP, but at least XP didn't bog shit down with useless crap. Vista crashed a lot more than XP ever did, and Vista did not become good until Windows 7 came out to replace it so quickly because even Microsoft realised it was shit. When people say that Vista was better than XP, they simply have no clue what they are talking about.
See how easy an opinion is to have?
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And I had experience with both when they died, and XP was still vastly superior. In my opinion. I don't understand why you whiny bastards keep pushing shit at people just because they dislike your favourite OS. Yes, I bloody get it. You prefer Vista. I prefer XP. Did any more really fucking need to be said?
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Yes and no... I find the Windows 8 dashboard thingy to be absolutely horrible, reason for which I used Classic Shell to completely disable it, add the start menu, and practically have the windows 7 look, which I prefer. But under the hood... there's a bigger beast than 7 with better performance and more stability, in my own experience. After about 6 months of win8, I ain't goin' back to 7 ever again :)
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No, he's right; Vista was a travesty. I removed Vista and "downgraded" to XP on a few systems for myself and family.
Windows 7 is fine (using it right now) but I know many people who skipped Vista entirely.
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But ... it has failed me o.o
I'm using a 64bit Win 8 Single Language, and the problem is compatibility. It seems it's having a hard time playing old time games, like Serious Sam Classic, when I can run it fine on my Win 7 64bit machine.
Is Win 8 meant to be advanced, without looking back?
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This is what ubisoft needs. Ubisoft's games has this annoying texture pop-ins because of the detail they are pushing in they're games.
Same with BL2. Well let's see if AAA games will embrace this DX 11.2, hopefully crackers can implement this DX11.2 on win7
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Actually, Ubisoft games were games. Now they're PC products are to be free-to-play pay-to-enjoy franchises. Ubi said that's due to only 5 in 100 played copies of their games being legit. If they count in all the people that cracked their legally bought Assassin's Creeds to get rid of annoying drm the math sounds right.
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Or maybe just install Windows 8 cause that "crack" thing will never happen?
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They tried the same shit with DX10 and Windows Vista xD
Well, Windows 7 and the X360 done the impossible and gave me a very high opinion of the comapny and their products, but right now its just "good" old Microsoft all over again.
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Yes that's something i'm wondering myself as well, maybe they're caching the RAM, rendering, and instantly swapping it? or pre-allocating it in order to avoid those bottlenecks? I'll find that out sooner or later.
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Game developers would be stupid to use that feature on PC. PCIe x16 has much lower bandwidth than the graphics cards' memory has, so the feature would just make games run slower on PC.
It's clearly added with Xbox One in mind and not PC.
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The problem is that the pc architecture is obsolete as it is. PS4 has shown the way of the future, and Pc's are lagging surprisingly far behind, architecture wise. As it is today, ALL data put into a gfx's ddr5 memory has to first come from the systems DDR3 ram. So you kinda already have that problem. What 11.2 does, is future proofing, IF pc's get similar architecture to the PS4. If Pc's don't it still future proofs Pc's today with GFX's that only has 2gb ram or less, since NeXT gen consoles will utilize much more RAM on the Graphics side.
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Microsoft: "Mmm, DirectX 10 exclusive for Windows 7 didn't went very well. Let's make DirectX 11.2 exclusive for Windows 8, that will do it!"
Microsoft is just so *** stupid. They fucked op Windows, they fucked up Windows Server. Now they will fuck this up again.
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DirectX 9 is for Windows 98 and up
DirectX 11 is for Vista and up
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Lol man you censored your first swearing but then wrote f*ck without censoring, what's the point haha
and what does *** even mean?
nothing serious man :D
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I'm... not sure I follow your argument.
DirectX 11.1 is already Windows 8 exclusive (Well, Windows Server 12 too... but that doesn't count) and has been since it's release alongside Windows 8.
So of course 11.2 will also be for Windows 8 only. Get with the program, you're a year behind your news!
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Windows fanboy or just Linux too complicated for ya?
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People like you are so cute. Keep on bashing Windows 8 without having even tried it for a reasonable time. Bashing the new start menu, but too stupid to see that it's so much easier to use than the old one. All you have to do is type the first few letters of the tool you want to use and bam it starts. No gazillion mouse movements anymore. And overall it's an improved Windows 7. But what else to expect from casuals who just keep copying what some forum guys said back then.
Either way, it happened before. It's nothing new that for newest features you'll need the newest OS.
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I'm using Windows 8 since like 2012 september, and it's awesome...way better then Windows 7 in my opinion.
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"AFAIK from what I remember"
Yeah refresh your memory buddy xD
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Um, no. I'm still using Windows 7, and all I ever have to do to launch any software or open a file is to press Win (or open start menu), type a few letters of what I want to open (like "note" for notepad) and press enter.
Magic - what I wanted to open is now open!!!
This is a pretty standard feature in modern desktop operating system UIs, really.
Ubuntu does it with their Unity interface, GNOME does it in its interface. There's nothing revolutionary or groundbreaking going on with this 'type a few letters and press enter to launch' feature.
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Windows 7 outdated, lol you so funny troll.
You kinda confused "outdated" and "desktop"
You can use that mobile crap your self. No one cares
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It will just a pain to the ass for game developers only, because they will need to support both DX11 + DX11.X in order for their game to support larger audience (just like they still supporting DX9 for Windows XP). Or just completely ignore DX11.X.
It will takes a long time before game developers stop supporting DX11 for Windows 7. By the time games not longer support Windows 7, I bet you already switched to Windows 8.
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And this is why I was going to get Windows 8. Because get over it. "Yay! I just got shafted by MS for sticking to a stable and trustable OS that is Win XP" was the thought of people about Vista and their exclusive DX. People got over it. So you can get over this one.
Also, I lol'd at this: "charged 100$USD more than their competition" Because that totally had an impact on people sucking on Sony's hardware last generation.
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Yeah, everyone seems to forget that the PS3 was 100.00 USD more than the 360 at launch.
And to be technical...since Microsoft announced their price first...Sony is the one charging less than the competition. :-P
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Also a year late too, if I recall, so the 360 had even dropped in price a little by the time it came out.
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It will probably play the same as with XP: initially it won't matter and people will stick to the old OS. A later Windows version will be good enough for the majority to switch and then games will start using the new features more extensively and those on the old OS will need to switch to something newer or be left behind.
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Exactly. As beautiful as XP was and as much as I miss it already in just three months without it, times have changed and people should move on.
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That's what makes me feel a bit better, it will hopefully take a while before they really start using said features. Up until then, i'll stick with Win7 for as long as i can.
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Video announcement from M$
So they screwed up big time with the initial PR in the XbOne, used PCs powered by Nvidia and Win7 at the E3, lied about the always on requirement (saying it was "hardwired" and a necessity), charged 100$USD more than their competition, failed to bring any attention (at least positive) to their new OS....... and this is how they fix it......making Directx 11.2 exlusive.
Btw, one of the main features in DX11.2, is the possibility to basically use RAM memory as if it were VRAM, the same concept used in integrated graphics cards, allowing games to achieve a SCARY amount of detail, whether it's in texture quality, Tesselation, resolution, or raw triangles.
Yay! I just got shafted by M$ for sticking to a stable and trustable OS that is Win7.
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