I always pay even if the girl is just a friend. But I understand what you are saying and you really dont want to put yourself in such a situation. I went out with a girlfriend once and she brought along a friend of hers who went on and on because I paid for the dinner. I regretted it a lot because I had to put up with her nagging, it was unreal.
I would really go with what mercer88 suggested. It's a win-win situation. Besides, she'll think you are considerate.
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"might feel offended if I tried to impose that patriarcal way of acting on her."
Yes, if you impose it on her she would be offended, but suggesting is a totally different thing, but that is just how I would handle it... I mean, if she wants to pay, she wouldn't be offended and would probably ask to split, if that's the case, but if she's not willing to, everything will be just fine, I guess.
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Or apologize and offer to let her settle her debt right then and there. if you accidentally call her bluff and she doesn't even have her wallet then she was complaining for no reason and you know not to bother with date 2. if she does it then you've been partially reimbursed dinner and she gets to feel like she won....its a win win.
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PAy for the food. That way you won't feel as bad when you race and eat it all before her.
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Go ahead and pay. If she objects, tell her she can get the next one. Fair, works with a date or with a friend, and is a nice thing to do.
Also, +1 to those who say it's like a gift. "Buying her" would imply she owes you something in return -- at which point, yes, you're a chauvinistic jackass if that becomes your mentality.
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Depends on the girl, hell some girls get mad if you pay, some want to pay for you, really depends, feel out the situation.
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First 'date', normally they offer to pay half but I insist and say 'I'll let you pay next time'.
If they remember it next time and pay then that's what they're comfortable with, if it isn't mentioned then they aren't that bothered about paying and were probably being polite and either I pay again or we split it.
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I always offer to pay, especially on a first date. Only if she's adamant that she doesn't want me to pay for her, then I'd be open to splitting the bill. Don't push the topic too much, and she won't take it to mean that you think she's unable to provide for herself. If she really does flip out because you merely offered to pay for her, then that's a pretty clear sign I don't want to be part of that relationship.
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I usually paid for it just cause that's what I always felt was right. Plus most of the time it was me asking them to dinner.
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The correct choice? There probably isn't one correct choice. Personally I would probably offer to pay; more out of politeness than any dated view that the man has to pay. Also, paying for the meal doesn't make anything a trade. You may or may not get sex but I don't think a woman is going to feel obligated to sleep with you because you bought her dinner.
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I love how so many people are telling you to pay without so much as a semblance of a reason why.
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ALWAYS PAY. Even independent women like romance and tradition! And don't listen to these other people telling you to "offer to pay" or saying it depends. NO, FUCKING INSIST ON PAYING.
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Why is that? And I thought that traditions could change over time or are them a set of unarguably rules?
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Certain things are set in stone. You want to portray yourself as being able to take care of a woman and romance her. There's a time and place for equality, and this isn't it. Pay. Pull out her chair for her. Open doors. Do all the cheesy shit. Seriously, I can't stress this enough.
And while we're on the subject, ALWAYS get down on bended knee to propose. That's another one that doesn't change.
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There's a time and place for equality, and this isn't it.
That's right. Equality is encouraged at all times, except at the times that it benefits the woman. That's what I'm hearing from you right now.
ALWAYS get down on bended knee to propose. That's another one that doesn't change.
What? Of course it changes. Put down the harlequin novels and romcoms.
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Yes, exactly. Except when it benefits the woman. Since when were women rational beings?
I know a few women that ended up getting married without the romance or kind of naturally transitioned into married life without a proper proposal. They ALL bitch about the lack of bended knee.
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It does depend...it depends on where you're eating. think how many steamsales and bundles her salad is costing you, how many fortix lost by stubbornly refusing her desire to pay for it herself.
some people feel uncomfortable if somebody pays for them
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While I understand that it's important to show her that you can take care of her, you don't want to be a sucker. So many women exploit the fact that the man has to "prove himself" and "take care of her" and all that bullshit. Why can't we both be equals and treat each other with the same respect? .........that should certainly apply on the first date. I'll offer to pay in full, but I won't force it down her throat. There are so many things that it depends on, so I whole-heartedly disagree with what you said.
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Worked with a woman last year who took off early one afternoon for a date. I said, hey, good luck.
"Oh no," she said, "nothing's gonna happen."
What? Why are you going out with him if you don't even like him?
"Can't turn up a free meal!"
This was like fifteen minutes after complaining that men are jerks who are only interested in using women for one purpose. When I pointed out the unscrupulous nature of what she was doing, she thought it was funny. Obviously this attitude is not widespread, but it is out there.
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haha, oh I've known a few in my time (not personally, but through friends).
As if laughing is supposed to defuse the situation. You must have had so much fun seeing her reaction :P I'd love to date a girl like that just to get around to paying the bill and wait for her to do something. She probably won't even bring any money in which case she'll be washing dishes.
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My comments were presuming that the girl is on the level. If she's like your colleague, that's just not cool. But you know what, sometimes getting played is part of the journey. But it shouldn't stop you from doing the gentlemanly thing. And it certainly doesn't make you a sucker; it makes her a bitch.
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Just ask her if you may invite her (and try read her reaction/answer correctly).
I'm assuming here, that it is not explicit invitation from either side anyways - if that were the case, then you can kinda expect the inviting party to cover the costs by default.
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Well. I do concur that if I explicitally invited someone to dinner I'd cover the costs of it. I mean, after all you are the one inviting.
Freud. Thanks for your answer.
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Well. So I reciently met this girl I quickly got on well with and we are going to have dinner like some day next week. So now I do have a problem. Should I pay for the dinner? I mean it's not as if I was a cheap person which I am not. But on the other hand, she as an independent women might feel offended if I tried to impose that patriarcal way of acting on her. As to be honest, wouldn't if be somehow like buying her? I mean. It seems more like a trade than a moment to enjoy if I paid.
I mean, I think that the most sensitive thing to do might be to evenly split the cost among us two. But well, it might be violent to raise that topic in the discussion, specially if she's reluctant to pay.
What would you do if you were if my place? And why? Would you let her pay all the meal? split the cost? assume it all by yourself? In wich way does your local customs and/or culture affects that view?
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