So a while back I started making giveaways. And the first batch I made were public giveaways with no level requirements. And certainly some of the games went to people who seemed nice. But I couldn't help but notice that some got regifted or simply vanished without trace. And I had to chase some people who didn't mark the games as received and it turned out they didn't want the games because they thought they were bad games or because it as a waste of time activating them because of their VAC ban and so on.

And for a while I maybe felt like a dick for going to the trouble of giving games away to people who didn't even want them. And I resolved to start experimenting with ways to maybe focus my gifting towards people who weren't such assholes. And I have experimented with various kinds of giveaways with varying degrees of success. And I have experimented with whitelists and group giveaways but I would feel a little guiltY about entering public giveaways if I made no public giveaways myself.

And I have experimented with blacklisting. Which I felt in theory was a great way of gradually focusing gifting towards the more lovable members of the community.

It's fair to say that that my first blacklistings were fairly haphazard and I'm not a perfect person and I'll even admit that I blacklisted a few people for quite petty reasons while druNk - but all of those have been reversed and I'm now quite consistent about why I blacklist people and keep a list of why I have done it.

I'm blacklist people for badly breaking the rules or abusing the system (like multiple regifters). I'm blacklisting people for having a bad ratio plus something else naughty, because I wouldn't want to discriminate against people who just can't afford stuff (like people who have a really bad ratio and moan about only winning crap games in discussions). And I'm blacklisting people who I felt were rude or abusive or entirely unreasonable (because it would stick in my throat to give a game to somebody who had told me to kill myself). This seems reasonable to me.

But to me things began to seem unreasonable when I made a giveaway for 3 copies of Skullgirls and woke up the next morning to find that despite a large number of entries more people were moaning about being blacklisted than had actually said 'thank you'. And I spent half the next day Being harassed by and arguing with various people despite also being really busy in real life.

If somebody asks why they are blacklisted I don't mind checking if I have made a mistake or looking if they have mended their ways - but when I commit to giving a game away I don't also want to commit to wasting a bunch of time arguing with people.

More recently somebody took the trouble of contacting me after noticing they were blacklisted to tell me what a good user they were, to express their surprise and upset and to issue some vague but malevolent threats. I checked my list and saw they were blackListed for several things ranging from having a terrible ratio to scamming people in trades. And I also noticed that this user had never made a giveaway that I had been able to enter.

I had been excluded from every private group giveaway this user had made and apparently now this user had discovered that I had made a giveaway that he was excluded from he found this entirely unreasonable. Is it wrong to be pissed off about that?

In conclusion I'm now about bored of this shit. I'm considering how to move forwards on the matter and thought it would be interesting to have a discussion and hear peoples opinions.

But before replying I would like people to consider that whenever I have previously posted a rambling wall of text in 'puzzles' there has been something far more important going on than the topic that appears to be the issue.

EDIT - I literally have several hundred new messages. I hadn't quite expected that response. Clearly blacklisting is CONTROVERSIAL or else folks are just really excited about the other thing. I'll reply to as much stuff as I can but it may take a while.

To clarify a few things at the risk of making a wall of text even bigger;

I'll always check why I blacklisted people as clearly I'm not infallible. Although in the past I have had several productive discussions with people I blacklisted I don't feel able to commit to that in the future due to a recent onslaught of bullshit. At this stage I'm reluctant to even get involved in discussions when so many of them end up wasting so much time.

I'm pretty sure I know what caused the onslaught of bullshit. Participating in the 'midsummer madness' event clearly brought me to the attention of some people who hadn't previously noticed my more subtle giveaways. And also I added 'really bad ratio + only making private group giveaways while raking it in from public giveaways' to the list of things I blacklist for which upset a number of especially argumentative and entitled individuals.

I'm not upset or else I wouldn't still be making giveaways. I have vented. I have put my point of view across. I will honestly consider the feedback. I will move forwards.

EDIT2 - 890 messages since I made this. I have read them all but it is unlikely that I will be able to reply to them all. The main lesson so far appears to be that the people who have contributed the least to this community are the ones most likely to get outraged about what other people are doing with their giveaways.

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Well for an entertaining and honest post the OP earned theirself a place on my whitelist.. and has the dubious honour of being the first one there... lol. I haven't been here long enough to create a blacklist yet...

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Late to the thread (and I didn't go back and read all 7 pages), but I believe that blacklists are a personal thing: people can use them how they want to and I'm not going to judge how they use it. If you want to blacklist me for having a cat avatar, then by all means do so. I'm not going to argue with you. I blacklist for a myriad reasons (breaking rules, regifting, being an ass, prejudiced/hate speech, obscenely bad ratios), and on occasion I've been asked why they were blacklisted. If I remember, I'm happy to explain. And I've un-blacklisted people this way. I just wish I kept a file with each name and reason, though usually it's pretty easy to tell.
A few more things:

  • Basically, a blacklist is our only way to control the RNG of our GAs...so I just ask myself the question, "do I want this person to win any of my GAs?"
  • I have no problems with blacklists automatically becoming bi-directional. But I have no problem with it staying how it is.
  • COOL TRICK: I just noticed that if you go to your blacklist and hover over the "2 months ago" or whatever where it says when you blacklisted someone, a tooltip pops up with the exact date and time of the blacklist. Cool. =)
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I don't really blacklist people unless they're known to break the rules or are being exceptionally rude (though that hasn't happened yet).

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Well deserved Blacklist? 3 years since registered 30 Gifts won, 0 Gifts sent, he deserves it i guess

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Is it better or worse if someone has been here for three years and won a lot of games and has made a giveaway but it was for a different game than what it said because he couldn't find the right game in the list because it is currently free from indie gala?

These are the questions that sometimes trouble me...

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What I most dislike on SG is people that make you a trade offer and do the same offer with lots of other persons on SG and when you answer positive to the trade offer you get: sorry I already made the trade with another person => Instant black listing and blocking on Steam!

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is that some sort of an academic dissertation? it was long and i didn't read it honestly. good luck with whatever you wanna do anyway

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As long as you respect the site rules, you may pretty well blacklist whoever you judge be unfair, it's something like "My giveaway. My rules." I don't see anything wrong in that. Also, how do I know if someone blacklisted me?

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bump.
And for your question @OmegaRozenkreuz: you accidentially get to a giveaway of that user (direct link) and see that youยดre blacklisted...

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I expected as much. It never happened to me so I was starting to doubt it was like that. Thanks for the info. :)

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I blacklist people for saying thanks, as well as for not saying it. The only comments I accept are "Praise be to Lord Bobbles." With everyone else it's straight to the BL, then I come to their house, and pee onto and into everything that they love. EVERYTHING. No exceptions.

But in all seriousness, I try to refrain from doing so unless it's for something major. Or they're a metric ton of doucebag.

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thanks!

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Bump for kawaii nekoGaben

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Bump.

And it seems to me a user can use, or not use, any or all lists as he or she sees fit. There are no rules as to how they may be used or cg would have that in the system.

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If you have a bad experience with someone, I feel like that's plenty of justification to blacklist them. If you're going to be nice and give away games to total strangers, I completely support any kind of restrictions you want to put on that kindness. "This guy was a dick to me" is a pretty good reason to not want to give him free stuff anymore.

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bump <3

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Some people blacklist because people say thanks, or because they don't, or whatever.

Do what you feel is right.

And thanks for the train.

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bumpelybump, nice thread :)

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Bump of approval.

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i never really onto blacklist, unless he/she need to blacklisted
regifting, being a total D#$% most likely get into one

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Many thanks, great train!

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I have a pretty small blacklist, when I blacklist someone I make sure they are horrible people, not just that one time they wrote some angry stuff or bad ratio or they made a newbie mistake when they haven't made too much GAs or have little time on the site.

The 3 previous criteria are pretty much easily fixed, I've made my fair share of mistakes in the past and learned from them, so I will report bad behavior, but I won't blacklist unless I'm certain those people are scum and hence don't have to recheck if they have rehabilitated in the future, I don't think someone will leave my BL.

Also bump for solved! Thanks a lot

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Bump for solved.

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Well shoot. This is ironic. I can't believe I'm conversing about Blacklisting. With you. AGAIN. I mean we literally met over this.....

Oh well, this is something I was about to make a thread on myself, but dozens of people beat me to it. Either way, I used blacklisting only to make sure that active members got games, and not just the bots. And of course, all those who broke rules too. I've got nothing against others just because they have a different opinion than mine. So when I see them blacklist me after losing an argument, it pisses me the hell off. Thanks for raising awareness about it.

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I think that incident proves that although I'm not infallible I'm at least not entirely unreasonable. I wouldn't blacklist somebody just over an argument or a difference of opinion although a few people in this thread are starting to push it...

I can't be bothered to reply in binary - but glad that is the case and hope you found a few things to your liking!

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