Good system, but can you at least allow cents to be added when it comes to a bundle game? When a game is worth $10 normally and was once in a bundle you don't get any VC of it because it's rounded down. Giving 50cents for it would at least still give us some VC for the game.
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Suggestion: If you want to cut down on a LOT of bundle questions, if the user creates a giveaway that is on the bundle list (has an asterisk), when it says stop and review, there should be a big red square at the end that says this is a bundle game, this is how much CV you will get. Just so there is less confusion. That way people know.
Yes, they SHOULD come here and read up on how SG works. People SHOULD do a lot of things. We could all make the world a better place by quitting gaming and doing some community service. We could but we don't because most people are selfish and lazy. So don't fault others for the same. Rather, work to facilitate the information so things to more smoothly for others. Unless of course that is not your intention to begin with.
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I am fairly new to the Steamgifts community and I am not 100% sure what brought on this new format for calculating contributor value in regards to bundle games, but I would like to express my opinion on the matter.
My assumption is that it was implemented to reward those members who contribute games that were purchased at full price on steam while diminishing the value of bundle games as much less money would have been spent to acquire them.
If this is the case then the system works, however, it can be flawed in some cases as anyone is still free to purchase games marked as bundle games for full price and then gift them, yet not receive full contributor credit for them. I personally feel that this new system only diminishes the worth of the bundle games and may deter people from gifting bundle games all together. If the game works and is a legit key, I feel it should not matter how the key was acquired, the game works none the less and the person receiving it will get the same enjoyment out of the game either way.
As for those who gift full price games, they have the same opportunity to gift bundle games so it is not like people who only gift bundle game will surpass their value. I personally do not put too much emphasis or worry into my contributor value but feel that any game being gifted should be given at least some value. Under the current system if a member only ever contributes bundle games their value will never exceed $30.
I feel the gifting of all games, no matter their origin should be encouraged to help promote and grow the community, not be punished or diminished. Just my thoughts, either way I am happy to be part of this great community.
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If I'm not mistaken, the reason bundle games are value that way is to prevent people to abuse it to get high CV. The system is not capable of identify wether a game is from a bundle or tradeable one, thus you will recieve bundle CV nevertheless. There are few moderators for SG and they cant monitor it manually either.
It is a status-quo that works.
Lots of ppl tried to think of a way to change it, and a lot of discussions were made, none came with a better solution.
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First of all it's not a "new" solution - it's over 1.5 year old. And before that you were not able to give bundle games at all on SG.
Ofc you can buy bundle game at full price, but as system is dealt in face-to-face matter - GA creator contacts you personally and SG is not involved into process of trading game - SG has no way to determine which GA was from a cheap-ass bundle and which was from full-price purchase. And making a difference between these two would be easily exploitable. Someone gives you bundle key, but asks you to mark it as full price gift to get full contrib.
Also there is a huge diffenece between bundles and normal sales. in a bundle you can get 100$+ worth of games for paying like 1$. The 90% Sales occur very rarely on steam. Also big steam sales (and other sales / price errors) that give I believe at least 95% discount count as bundle games as well.
And there is a huge difference between usual 80% sale on steam and 99% sale from bundle (100$ CV for 1$ bundle). It may seem like only 19% difference, but actual difference is much bigger. Let's say you have 10$ to spend on games. A game worth 10$ goes on 80% sale so it costs 2$. Spending your 10$ you can buy 5 games and get 50$ CV. Now if you would spend these 10$ to buy 10 bundles, you would get games worth 10*100=1000$ CV. Which is 20 times more than buying 80% sale game!
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It can be abused though. Many people here give games just to get CV to enter groups or giveaways based on high CV. Now the problem isn't bundle games themselves, but more the fact that they are 'pay what you want'. Imagine someone paying $1 for 5 games which are otherwise worth $10 each. That person can get $50 worth of CV while having spent $1. Now if someone buys 10 of these bundles, they get $500 CV. If it was that easy to get CV, contributor giveaways would be worthless, and it wouldn't be fair to those who did not buy these bundles to get $500 CV. Of course no one buys games at full price. But out of the bundles, you don't get 'pay $1 to get all games;. Your argument has been posted many times, but you have to look at all sides of the equation :)
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it's not hour that matters - it's day that matters. Especially as many games that are gonna be bundled got announced by bundle itself beforehand. Generally if you just created GA 1-2h before game get bundled - bad luck. if you created it 1 day before you'd be fine.
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So I should get credit for my puppygames bundle I created like last week since the HiB weekly is supposedly their complete set of games.
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Sweet. Wasn't really sure on this. So I should get credit on my prime world defenders than too since that was made before the bundle. Thanks zelg
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This is incorrect. At least for me.
I have $30 contributor value, then I made a King Arthur Collection giveaway ($50) and a Mafia II giveaway ($30). And it didn't recognized it.
Then I read that I had to make a giveaway that is not from a bundle, or at least one that it's not marked with a * sign at the end of the name.
So I did a Anomaly Mobile Campaign giveaway ($5)... And my contributor value went up to $36... What?
If it is 20% of the value that I did, then it should be $50 + $30 that's $80 and it's equal to $16 (20%) and then adding up the $5 of the other giveaway.
That should give me $50 in total of contributor value, and I have $36.. I made 4 giveaways and it only counted 4. Please I want this fixed if it's not too much trouble.
Thanks a lot for reading. Cheers and have a good christmas eve and happy new year :).
EDIT: My bad, but it's still incorrect, a minor error. The King Arthur DID added up, it gave me $10 more contributor value. But Mafia II didn't added, it should give me $6 and that should give me a total of $40/$41 adding the Anomaly giveaway.
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No, 20% of the value of the non-bundled games value. So 20% of $5 (Anomaly) is $1. Hence, $30 + $5 + $1 = $36.
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No, its perfectly correct for you
You were at 30$ with 2 copies of The Ship ($25+ 20% ($5)). At that point your total was $40, but your counting value was $30. King Arthur Collection added $50 to total, but nothing to counting value as your maximum from bundles is already maxed out. Same with Mafia II.
Then you made a $5 non bundle giveaway, raising your non bundle value to 30$ + 20% ($6) to $36.
That means you still have $89 "blacklisted" Value from bundles
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Good question. Does the CV go off the value of the day the GA was created, or off the value of the GA when it ended?
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I can't understand how it works...
I've given this games:
Batman: Arkham City - Game of the Year Edition $29.99
Batman: Arkham Asylum Game of the Year Edition $19.99
FTL: Faster Than Light $9.99
Worms Reloaded $19.99
A total of 79,96$, that gave me $30.00 value... I know that it has to be less because of the bundles but I can't get the formula...
Can anyone explain me how it works with my example, please?
Thanks!!!
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You can get more than $30 CV for bundled games but you have to give away non-bundled games too. Assuming it has not changed since the last time I looked, after the first $30 it was on a 4-to-1 ratio, so for every $4 of non-bundle games you give you can have $1 of bundled games count towards CV as normal value. Another way to think of it is that the value of your giveaways can be a maximum of 20% bundled games in order to get full CV credit for the bundled ones.
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Thanks Nevermore and Shadowen.
MegaGiga, I've been reading everything, but as you can see, it's very confusing because everyone tells something different about it.
Nevermore told me that the most you can get is 30$ while giving bundle games, but Shadowen explained something slightly different.
Now I get it :)
Thanks!!!
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Can I create a giveaway from humble bundle for 1 game? I have a gift key link I want to give away.
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I don't understand how it's work
I gave away -
Terraria - 10$
Magicka - 10$
Trine - 10$
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - Uprising - 20$
The Ship - 20$
Wargame: European Escalation - 20$
World of Goo - 10$
they all togther worth 100$
and i got value - 41.99$
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Magicka - bundled countless times (it was even avaiable for free)
Trine - bundled 3 times
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - Uprising - bundled in HB
The Ship - The game was avaiable for free for a loooong time
Wargame: European Escalation - Bundled in HB weekly
World of Goo - Bundled 2 times
So all the games mentioned by me above were in bundles, so they give you 25$ CV + 20% extra as a bonus. Terreria is the only game you gave away that was not in bundle, so it gives you 9.99CV + 20% bonus = 11.99$.
25$+5$+11.99$=41.99$.
Seems to me system is working totally fine for you.
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From BundleList:
Serious Sam Complete Pack (Jul 17, 2013)
Long story short - if you buy it from Russian store or from hundreds of russian traders during 90% sale (and there's been plenty of those) it costs you 3.75$. 3.75$ for 95CV is 96% sale and all sales above 95% may be considered exploitable/abusable - hence get on bundle list.
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I've got a great idea for a future change concerning the CV/bundling of games especially concerning very small regional pricing differences (note that a pricing error doesn't qualify for this):
When a game is to be bundled/asterisk'd under the current rules due to a regional price 'exploit' instead it becomes double asterisk'd.
Games with a double asterisk (**) can be given away at full CV once. Any further giveaways of them will only give bundled contributor value.
Please stop punishing everyone instead of a handful of fishy people. This double asterisk system punishes only those, that actually ABUSE the Russian pricing. Even if users buy a single copy at -96% instead of -95% off from a Russian trader and give that copy away here - then that is a great thing, not an abuse.
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We rolled out a few important updates to the site today.
The first major change is the way contributor values are calculated. In short, the update limits giveaways that might have originated from a bundle to 20% of your total value (Note: Giveaways created prior to a bundle always receive full value). Please review the threads from earlier in the week for the full details. Keep in mind, we'll continue to improve this system as time goes on.
There's no longer a restriction on what games can be given away, assuming they're not guest passes or beta keys. Anything found in the drop down menu when creating a giveaway is allowed. If you're gifting a game from a bundle, please review that bundle's terms of service to ensure you have permission to do so. If you believe a giveaway needs to be removed, please use the report button. There's no reason to post accusations in the comments, and users doing so may be suspended for inappropriate behavior. We'll review reported giveaways, and remove them if necessary. The new system will ensure contributor values are not overly inflated by bundle games.
Thanks to everyone in the community for all the feedback the past week, and I believe we created a system that's fair for everyone. It still leaves room for improvement, and there are a number of great suggestions in the previous thread we'll be exploring in the coming weeks.
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