Ok, I'll start:
Problem: The General discussion section is too broad and a lot of things get mixed there.
Solution: Use General to talk about games and gaming-related news. Off-topic to discuss non-gaming related subjects. Create 2 new sections: Giveaways for anything giveaway-related + trains and Events for big events like some groups like to do.
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I proposed to make an "events" category once, left it open for months and just got 4 replies. Lets hope you are more succesful than me, I'd really like it to come true.
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Sorry to hear that. I think it's a great idea. If I'm successful, I'll call it the Axelflox amendment. xD
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I was gonna bump that but...
Closed 2 weeks ago by Axelflox.
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When I went to close my last event thread (ironically) I noticed that it was still open and still as dead as it has always been since day one, so I could either bump it or close it, and I chosed the later.
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Good to hear that someone else likes it :)
I had to check like 30 winners that day so I just felt like giving up on the idea so I could avoid thinking in how to revive it, but now LastM has brought it back from the dead in a way more succesful thread so it's no longer necesary.
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Technically General is only for Steam and Steamgifts related topics, at least that's what CG said in the sorting discussions thread.
I would overhaul it adding more sections like "News", "Giveaways", "Hardware", "Scripts", "Tutorials/FAQs", etc.
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How could I forgot about tutorial 0.0 Tutorial is highly needed. I like the rest of them too, except news, because imo it's already included in other categories like general or off-topic, depending on the subject..
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Is SG moderated? What is stopping people from not using the proper sections?
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Is SG moderated?
Yes
What is stopping people from not using the proper sections?
Common sense. Even so some people keep posting threads out of the proper category (it triggers me a bit, I admit). Support members can't move threads, so only members with higher rank can (moderators, supermods and cg himself). That makes 8 people. Since they also have to attend to tickets, it is understandable they are not checking every thread fits the category. Usually a simple comment kindly inviting the thread creator to move it to the correct category with indications about how to do it (the green 'open' button is not the more obvious place to set that menu, I admit. I think it could be also good changing it for a more user friendly option) is enough.
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Nothing. I just think that having more strict categories might help new users, saving support some time.
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Problem: People take this site too seriously.
Solution: Chill out, it's just the internet.
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Do you realize that what you just did is exactly the opposite of what making a useful comment is considered right?
Can't see any constructive thing in this shitpost/rant/whiny comment.
Problem : people like you
Solution : stay away from threads that actually are something positive to the community you belong.
Ark out.
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Seems like someone took my comment too seriously.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Is not about taking u serious, i know u were just trying to be funny. But there are places where there is no need for funny like this one, when what we need is a official response and maybe some suggestion that can make cg overthink and perhaps get some really needed changes.
Look maybe i was harsh and i apologize for that, but u need to agree with me that your comment was totally out of place in a post that attempts to be serious.
Again sorry if my comment was too rude it was not my intention at all. Good luck mate.
Ark out.
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Again you missing the point of this thread. I don't have a problem with your comments AT ALL, but that comment don't belong to THIS thread but it seems you are the one not understanding this. I can recommend you to do the same and ignore this entire thread unless you have something actually useful to comment, but you are just trolling and getting +1 post. This threads exist because of members like you to begin with.
Not wasting any more time with your trolling. At first i tought i was being rude now i realize i was been soft because you don't care this community you just want to have drama.
Have a great week, this is my last response to this post.
ArK OUT
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Thanks for helping me increasing the drama and my post count +4.
We should be friends.
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Now you sound like a user that just got suspended for a week...
If you don't have something useful to say then don't say anything else. You bumped a thread you don't want to see... I suggest getting a script to hide threads instead of taking part in them with sarcastic comments.
And yeah sure I took your comment seriously. Unless you want to get treated like a joke?
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I find this thread usefull and I never said otherwise.
It was my fault for not clearing it earlier but it's too late anyway, I was referring to the community when I said "this site".
Some people needs to relax, just watch how the guy above reacted at a (vile?) joke on the internet, he just proved that I'm right, SG would be a better place if people just stops arguing for the sake of conflict, isn't better to just ignore the comments you don't like instead of arguing and raging because someone thinks different than you?
Maybe I shouldn't have said it in this thread but I still thinks one of the best ways to improve SG would be if the people chills out / relax a bit, just choose a random thread, there will be drama and people arguing, 100% guaranteed.
Let the bad comments pass, ignore them and we will be in a better place :)
It's everyone choice to take something deadly serious or as a joke, do as you wish.
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I'm sorry, your comment just seemed like it was there to bring down the topic of the thread :)
I've spend £100s on giveaways, spent a lot of time here through a pretty dark time in my life... So yeah, I'm taking this seriously. If I invest time and money into something then I don't want to see it go to shit. I don't know if you are aware but a user in the past committed suicide and everyone replied with sarcastic comments. So, when I see a sarcastic or useless comment suggesting its "just the internet" I do get "triggered."
So yes, people will take you seriously and I hope you realise this and remember. Your words spoken verbally or written/typed have meaning and will therefore effect people may it be for a few seconds, days, weeks, months and so on.... I am not saying I am some mighty being and I am perfect, I just want to ensure that this community that I grew to love stays a good welcoming place.
Next time maybe consider your words/thoughts/ideas before posting.
Let the bad comments pass, ignore them and we will be in a better place :)
Honestly, I don't have dates to hand and cba finding them but I actually ignored the users involved in part of the drama... One of them made a thread that nobody commented on involved in the drama that I seen while skimming so the user made a second topic which to one user involved in the drama commented but later edited saying "I will not rise to this." So yes we have tried to ignore it but around 3-4 months later and they still seem to be focused on us and other things such as sgtools, number of questions or pieces in puzzles (like lol wut xD)
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problem: sometimes i break my own rules, and write a comment. my experience: 1, if your opinion is different and someone take it too serious,and rage you just got a blacklist. soooo many people think if hes bl you, your world stops spinning.
2, those guys who create gibs only for 10 ppl will bl you more often.
solution: evade the forum.
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I have never seen anyone before so aptly prove the very position they argued against.
ARK OUT
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Yes, people take a site where some pay money to gift games to strangers seriously. It's like some are putting a part of their earnings down the line or something. Totally nothing serious.
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A standard forum thread is hard to follow when some many users are involved.
Maybe a kind of subreddit style or most wanted feature voting system (there are many web apps for that) could be useful.
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That is tricky due to how easy it is to manipulate.
IMO a better implementation on a voting system would be to vote on comments, but they wouldn't go up or down depending on their votes, it would just show how many votes that comment has. So a system like the forums of alienwarearena (a forum that some might be familiar with), instead of reddit.
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There is always some possible prevention.
No system is perfect, and... alienware you mention is far from being perfect...
At least, voting system can help exposure of new emerging ideas.
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It's true, no system is perfect. But I saw multiple reddit accounts being banned site wide due to vote manipulation.
Like groups of content creators having group chats in order to upvote their posts to the front page of certain subreddits.
Some were journalists that caused the domain of the site they were creating content to to be banned reddit wide. Other were youtube content creators that would to it to promote their channels.
I could see the same thing happening here on SG due to how we also have groups. And we kinda already see that with the support that some threads get from people that are in the same group of friends/stream group.
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We would then sporadically see non legit topics upvoted.
If legit good topics get downvoted by circlejerkers, we would still spot it in controversed category.
See JustArchi topic, many people contributed in a very short time. But probably several people posted duplicated suggestions, while most of people could not read hundred of posts prior to posting one themselves.
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No voting system please :C We don't need more fuel for the already running popularity contest >_<
BTW I don't like alienwarearena system at all. People downvote you if they don't share the same opinion as you (not just spam comments as it was planned), and that goes against the spirit of any discussion forum.
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That would be more about voting most wanted features than circle jerking.
It helps focusing on desirable features rather than on things that would be not used at all by end users.
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Oh I see. Like the "suggestion of the month" or so? Maybe featured polls (they are already implemented in the site, they have been used in the past).
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Id be happy if we could make a section for giveaways/trains, sort of like what we did with the deals section.
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Problem: People have to check their winners for unactivated wins and multiple wins and generate a report to get a re-roll.
Solution: incorporate the checks into SG and don't allow people to win new games if they have unactivated wins (doesn't have to be retroactive).
To avoid multiple wins, once a person marks a game received he should be removed from any giveaways for it and not be allowed to join any new ones.
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I don't think that people should be punished for old multiple wins
Just give support a button or something to say that someone has served their punishment and make them able to enter again.
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Do you mean if I have unactivated X game in my history I can't enter any giveaways for X game only (which is completely logical and I support this) or I can't enter any giveaways for any game?
Option 1 + Option 2 with limited time (e.g 1w) seems reasonable I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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To avoid multiple wins, once a person marks a game received he should be removed from any giveaways for it and not be allowed to join any new ones.
That change was already implemented after it was suggested many times in this same section, but it works a bit different. It happens in the moment you win, not when you mark it as received. You can find more info in that thread.
About the ckecks into SG, it is something every giveaway creator should do (also checking that the game is not already in winner's steam library). I know just a minor % of creators do it, so forcing it (let's exclude massive giveaways, since checking 5000 winners is a hell) is a good idea. Always, of course, knowing that user supervision is necessary. In case of finding an offender, an option to send a reroll ticket should appear. Anyway, it seems rerolls are only granted if the unactivated wins are recent (support - new ticket - new winner - reason: "Did not activate previous wins this month"). This may be due to people who already got suspended from the site and already fullfilled their punishment.
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My bad. I missed that update.
Anyway, it seems rerolls are only granted if the unactivated wins are recent (support - new ticket - new winner - reason: "Did not activate previous wins this month")
That's not really upheld in practice where, as long as the suspension hasn;t been served, you get the re-roll. In any case, the point is that that re-roll ticket could be avoided if the checks were integrated into SG, or if more things are done to prevent multiple violations and avoid waiting until they win something before being suspended.
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There are addons that provide functionality that should imho be implemented in sg straightforward.
cg could effortlessly implement some features that are really usefull but decides not to.
its 'ok' but i dont get why.
example: endless scrolling, a fixed header, improved/more comfortable discussionsystem (aka.. 'buttons' that every forum has to use bbcode like spoilers, links, comments, code...)
yes.. its possible to make such stuff optional..
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I've only seen one implementation of Endless Scrolling so far (Sgt Frog SG Tinkerer script) and Endless Scrolling breaks everything.
Fixed header is really good, user tags and blacklist / whitelist colors are really good.
Hiding entered giveaways is great, as is active discussions on the sidebar instead of the bottom.
That script does so many things I wish the site itself had.
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Problem: None of my suggestions are take seriously.
Solution: Why can't anybody at least acknowledge my suggestions? ;_;
Jokes aside, I've made suggestions before and no attention was paid to them (including users), so I don't really do suggestions anymore. I have a long list, but what's the point, really. I doubt cg will stroll in and say, "Damn, that guy sure knows what he's talking about, I'll take this suggestion into consideration!"
I think my suggestions are simply just things only I want. What can I say, I'm a man of... extravagant needs? :D
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i like men of extravagant needs :)
and for a productive comment... yes i thing cg pretty much ignores the discussionforum completely and just uses it sometimes for distributing news. and glancing at the drama that makes up like 90%+ of it.. its kinda understandable.. ^^
maybe there should be some discussion-active supportmember that summarizes it for the bigboss :D
solutiontobeignored
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Why can't anybody at least acknowledge my suggestions? ;_;
*pats the dragon*
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Although you're joking or not, lack of communication between management/leadership and regular folks is a big problem and the downfall of many good communities.
That said, maybe some suggestion threads created directly from support here and there could solve this.
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this thread is a shitpost on suggestion topic don't like it...
so no
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There is nothing shitpostish about this thread. I assure you that. It's a tribute to a similar (and better written, I admit) thread I couldn't find. After a rant and other threads that got as nowhere these last days, I thought it was time to bring it up again. Unfortunately, people have a hard time following 3 simple rules... Thanks for the bump anyway.
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maybe you didn't mean it to be a shitpost, but it is one.
I couldn't find. After a rant and other threads that got as nowhere these last days.
and this is why :).
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I thought that having an issue-focused thread instead of rants would make people target the problems with suggestions instead of people with attacks. Maybe I was naive about it
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thats why you can write a support ticket with feedback.
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If i were to insult the space cat i would have said that it ain't good for anything, but those are your words. Doge army has taken over 9gag, about time for SG too! :D
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Wow, you're so cool! You have .... I would say a *disarming* charm to your personality!
But what about giving back that arm to poor fellow? ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
\ in text removes formating effect of the next character - the underscore woult be a formating element, and \ cancels it, while disappears. With 3 backward slashes the first you cancels the second (second stays) and the third one cancels the underscore (and disappears) so your shrugging guy will have an arm :D
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I like him disabled, it reflects my overall stupidity and ftis me good.
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Problem: Admin doesn't care what the users want.
Solution: As such the site is almost enver changed, except when it was made into 2.0. Therefore solution = fix the site with userscripts.
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Problem: Manually checking winners and sending support ticket individually takes up a lot of time for support (and the users in general, but there it is divided among more people).
Solution: If someone gets suspended with one of the reasons that warrant the "30-day rule", then let the system automatically deselect/reroll them in said 30-day period after their suspension if they win a giveaway.
This is what we are doing manually anyway whenever we check upon winners and look at their infraction dates, only staff has to compare times to see if they really were suspended by then or not. This is an easily automated feature request considering the site already can auto-reroll entries based on criteria (currently suspended).
This way if someone with an infraction within the past 30-35 days does win a giveaway, we can at least know they weren't caught yet. Of course, even that could be thrown out, because…
Problem: Givers have to manually check for unactivated wins and try to issue reroll tickets based on their findings. Some do it every time, some never. Meaning if someone breaks the rules, they may continue repeatedly doing it for months, leading to my favourite findings, when I bump into people of 12+ not activated wins that can span back a year even.
Solution A: When the site does its normal weekly sync or someone does it manually, cross-reference their library to their wins. If they have something marked as received without having it, pop up a warning window that tells them about this rule.
Solution B: Rename the damn thing "Activated on my Steam account".
Problem: Bots and entry scripts enter everything with users who may take forever to activate their wins or just flat-out trying to resell them immediately, effectively "farming" SG for a small buck.
Solution: Captcha. Maybe only at every N number of giveaways like how some sites ask for captcha after a certain number of logins, but anything that would require human input and at least temporarily stop these scripts in their tracks. Make the captcha optional and controlled by the creator for all I care, with a default turned off option.
Problem: Some wiseguys think they can pass SGTools checks if they mark their not activated wins as not received. Since it can happen after months, by that time it is the giveaway creator's word against theirs.
Solution: Lock down the Received button after a week. If a game does get revoked, they can screenshot the Steam message and provide it as a proof for a "Remove received mark from my giveaway" ticket type. Instead of making givers wonder if support will like them enough or not to believe them just by words, this can depend upon actual evidence.
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- I agree.
- I agree.
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- I agree. It can increase the number of support tickets, but I think said event is extremely rare so it won't have much effect on the number of tickets.
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Honestly, considering that there should be less revokes than people who want to be smart and pass SGTools checks, it should decrease support tickets.
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Problem: Bots and entry scripts enter everything with users who may take forever to activate their wins or just flat-out trying to resell them immediately, effectively "farming" SG for a small buck.
Maybe 3 unactivated win = permaban?
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You would still rely on someone accidentally finding them. This entire thing could be much, much more automated.
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+1
I accidentally found bogdy007's 10 unactivated wins with 7 regifts. Made a user report and poof, permabanned.
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Make that 3 separate cases (so not 3 games, but 3 reports and 3 suspensions) and that's fair IMO. Someone can just be lucky and win 3 games in 2-3 days before even reading the rules, and that's a little harsh. But telling someone 3 different times that they shouldn't do that - yesh, ban 'em! Though I'm pretty sure that there is something like that in effect.
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Force new users to read rules before entering any GA?
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We both know that one can not effectively force anyone to do anything
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How about "You have to scroll through rules and you have to spend at least 5 mins at rules page before clicking the button at the bottom says 'I have read the rules'"? After this point we shouldn't really care if he really read rules or not, ban ban ban!
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Will be nice and applicable after cg brings back the multi-language FAQ that was removed with SG2. How about turning your jerk a little down and actually measure up what's the problem, instead of all your "suggestions" ending up making simpler reasons just to ban people?
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There's a difference between being a jerk and being a hardliner ;) Unless I missed something his opinion was voiced in a perfectly civil matter.
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How about when new user passes the $100 account check, present them with rules and regulation. When user clicks Accept and Continue present them with a rules and regulation quiz (15-20 random questions). Let the user pass only after he gets 80-90% of them right. Until then no skipping or closing down of the dialogue box with quiz. And also don't point out which answer were right/wrong until the user passes the quiz.
Effective but might hamper the growth of users.
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I think you were forced to do so, if I recall correctly. When you joined, you had to spend 20 minutes on the FAQ page. Unless of course, that was another website :D
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Good Old Ancient Romans have perfect solution for that issue - Ignorantia juris non excusat :P
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Then really, just do that. But then make FAQ more visible, more accessible in multiple languages - for example I didn't even know that there's a Russian FAQ because the English one has a dropdown on the top left corner. The FAQ is hidden in the help menu instead of being a topic fixed on the top of the discussions, or having a rules/FAQ, and why would someone check help when they just enter for free givaways, what could go wrong? A certain age / maturity is needed for someone to realize this is too good to thousands of games be thrown away just like that, there has to be some rules.
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It'll just be like the Terms and Conditions everyone just clicks yes to without reading.
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My fresh answer to adam just above yours
Is that Kristina/Christina btw?
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Spending 5 minutes would make people idle away from the site in a different tab, much like being unable to click "I have read the terms and conditions" until you scroll to the bottom, so you just auto scroll to the bottom.
However, as a layer of "we told you to read the rules" instant ban-hammer it works. I'm not against ideas like this, I agree tbh, the rules should be read(and probably re-written tbh). Just like adam said, theres no way of physically making people.
it is indeed Kurisu, slight Steins;Gate profile theme on my profile :)
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Please no Captcha...I'm lazy! Other than that seems good!
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Agreed, I hate Captchas with a passion. Just dealing with the ones to log in to Bundlestars is enough to make my blood boil.
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Thanks for providing insightful analysis with possible solutions.
I have no idea how easy or how hard it would be to implement them technically, but personally I agree with all of your suggestions.
I hate captcha as much as anyone else, but unless there are alternatives which I'm unaware of, I'd support it. Something must be done to prevent or at least limit bots/autojoiners.
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I'd like to second all of them but the last since someone could easily miss out on the opportunity to make a screenshot and thus possibly be stuck with it forever without any way to prove their innocence, assuming it isn't re-creatable in any form whatsoever. Too much room for error imo.
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You can make a screenshot of another steam page:
https://help.steampowered.com/en/wizard/HelpWithGameIssue
Look for the game you get revoked, and press "It is not in my library"
you will see something like this (I just discovered it :/):
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Oh, nice to know, thanks :> (and sympathies for having it revoked in the first place ;x, I myself had only to deal with it once thus far).
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+1 to all of them. Great suggestions, especially the bots/scripts entering every single GA.
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I don't have to see forum topics made by ppl whom we mutually blacklisted each other with previously (also puzzle-sadists and pro-spammers). Too much info-noise gets really tiresome smtimes.
I'd like to be able to block a topic starter in the forum, or in one section of the forum (somebody+puzzles, or smb+general for example), not to see his threads in the top feed.
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Block =/= blacklist, let it be two individual things :) For example I have active forum members on blacklist because they just hoard games and have close to 0 play-rate on the wins - while their forum contribution is great. So I just simply don't want to give games for them to collect dust.
(the SGignore script has all of these features, even hiding individual giveaways and topics, though if they would be top topics I just have one less on the main page. So - it seems to be an implementable thing)
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Not everybody has problems with "leechers". Also what you are looking for already exists and is called "level restriction". Oh you are talking about ratio. Then you can use SGTools. If you don't like it, it can be an option to implement in the site, just as levels.
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I know that i could use SGTools. In my opinion it would be nice if there was a min ratio so people with 5sent 400won ratios dont exist. I mean they clearly do this to make profit.
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The more options for giveaway creators the better. It seems to be a demanded feature for some people, and keeping it optional wouldn't hurt anyone.
I am aware of it won't be enough for some people, who demand separate ratios for groups/public giveaways. Also some people are not happy with users who created just region restricted giveaways joining their giveaways (even if it is the only way those users have to make giveaways). In the end, I would recommend using SGT, who is pointed to more advanced users, and not overwhelming the rest of users with dozens of options in the giveaway creation template.
Let's remember the sole concept of "contributor level" is hard to understand for new users.
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I get what you are saying, but I think Bundle Stars have had bundles with as many as 46 games for $1. The cynical side of me feels that there would just be a flood of trash and then things would carry on much as before. I think it's something that should be left up to individual users - although maybe it would be nice if there were a few options available similar to SGTools for people making public giveaways.
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well this trash bundles will stop once greenlight is gone i guess. And also if not thrash is better than nothing. I mean high level users would already own all the trash games and new people would be glad to win anything ;)
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On the other hand, I doubt greenlight will be the end of trash. And new users glad to win anything would just end up with bad ratios themselves - it's mathematically impossible for everybody to have a good ratio.
You make some good points and I think some of the worst of the leeches are ridiculous myself. But I still think the better option would be to make tools available to help people who feel strongly about such things.
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Well SG wouldnt allow them to enter any more Giveaway after their first win ;) And I am not talking about a 1.0 Ratio but a 0.5 ratio. Meaning you give 200 games and can win 400 :) this way we would limi the entries and people really would think twice what they enter ;)
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A 0.5 ratio sounds a bit harsh to me personally. When I did SGtools giveaways I used 0.2 - leeches aren't great, but the site is steam gifts and not steam trades and some people genuinely can't afford much stuff. That's just my opinion, but again that's why I think it should be up to individual users - you aren't going to get a lot of agreement on what the right ratio is. I think my own ratio should be 10.0 but I wouldn't try and hold anybody else to that standard...
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well but as you said there are bundles with 46 games for $1 so nobody could tell me he cant afford stuff... and most people that say i cant afford stuff do have gta V and the witcher in their steam library... or/and a highend pc. So therefore i think 0.5 sounds good but yeah its everyones own opinion ;)
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I completely agree with you, I find it unfair that there's people that made 0 contributions and are taking loads and loads of stuff, and then there's people who gives games that people actually want, not shitty bundles, and only enter giveaways that they want, and they never win anything, maybe once a year.
It's really, really unfair. I know people will tell me it's basically charity, but there's an extent, a charity doesn't give a poor person 1000€ and leaves 99 other people with 1€.
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And with that I think we've come full circle! I did say people could buy 46 games for $1 - but I also said I didn't want people who were forced to improve their ratio to just do that and flood the site with trash. It should be up to people to choose how they make giveaways - but I also think it should be a lot easier for people to choose and shouldn't need off-site tools.
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Forced ratios are a plague. People should not be forced to give away shovelware just to maintain a ratio.
I like to give away quality games, not crap games no one really wants.
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Yeah i agree with you aswell ;) but I have no clue how to stop people from leeching
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problem: wrong feedback/ no feedback tickets take 1-2 months on average for me
solution: more support using either reputable users that volunteer or hire some staff (I'm not sure how much ad revenue it gets)
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We need harsher rules and 10 times more bans and suspensions as there are now. People are bunch of stupid fucks mostly and then left unchecked they will make chaos out of anything. We have capable and responsible support members,just give them more tools to deal with the barrelheads.
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Oh completely forgot this!
+1
This website seriously needs an actual set of rules that are written out. We have an FAQ but we need rules
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If a set of rules is published, people will start looking for loopholes. I think that was the reason I read that explains why there isn't a list with all the rules.
EDIT: Still searching for the source, but I can't find it. Maybe I confused it with something different >_< I know I read the word "loophole" somewhere in the forum, but could have been referred to another issue.
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Yeah but at least there would be a clear set of rules. There is always going to be a way around the system but it means that you get the majority of them to follow!
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The initial problem is that people don't read the faq. I doubt people would read the rules...
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It doesn't matter if they read the rules or not. Its the fact that it would be clear cut and referable when creating tickets, eg:
"Hello support,
This user has been racist which breaks rule number 3 of "there can be no comments or media that refer to racist or sexist remarks."
This user has created threads resulting in users being personally harassed, embarrassed and suicidal this goes against the rule 5 of "The safety of users must be priority therefore aggressive and persistent behaviour is forbidden."
This user has not activated their win for a third time and has entered with a bot account this goes against rule number 7 of "Users must activate their wins within a week of the giveaway end time. If this is failed for a third time this will result in exclusion from all giveaways and posts. We do not tolerate autojoining scripts which will result in suspension if used."
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Interpreting rules "to the letter" vs "on a case-by-case basis". I prefer the last one, and it is what support team does. Interpreting rules "to the letter" is dangerous because of the loopholes (proof: real life laws) and misinterpretations (What is "aggresive behaviour"?)
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Why not use both?
Have rules so support can refer to them and make their own judgement on whether it falls into the area. Since you mentioned aggressive behaviour... Say a user felt threatened by another user and they report them and maybe a few others see it and do the same. Support and look at the rule "The safety of users must be priority therefore aggressive and persistent behaviour is forbidden." and then they read the details of the situation and look at the chain of comments etc. After this they can accept or disapprove the reports. Leave an explanation such as "I feel this is not threatening at this point. However, if there are other cases with the same user again please report it here again where I can maybe take further action."
Plus, this is the reason why there are multiple staff also, they have multiple voices and opinions so if one staff isn't sure then they can ask another to get an answer.
Like I said as well, there will always be loopholes so there will be people that fall through the system but rules will catch the majority. Which means that there will be only rare cases hopefully of bad behaviour.
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There is nothing to be misunderstand in non-activation, reflinks, racism, multiwin. Why wouldn't we have a letter by letter rule for *those*? as with real life laws, if you don't have a qualification to do something yet you do it, it's clear and simple that you broke the laws. Nothing left to sugarcoat or pamper there.
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Then why the "list of rules" we already have are not enough?
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The word rule is not even mentioned there, what are you talking about? :D
Also it's the most retardedly hidden place in the whole site, why would anyone look for rules, and check the roles section's bottom by scrolling down and if they can find it there? And why does that page has more about various permissions that I don't have that about the punishments? (because rules are not mentioned there at all)
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He probably means the list of suspension permissions at the bottom of the site, though they aren't widely explained there.
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There are misunderstandings with racism. Certain people are allowed to user certain words and others aren't based on their group membership. On the internet we have even less proof of who someone is or what group they belong to therefore what comments they may feel entitled to use.
And then there is the other point of view, is my point of view wrong that certain group members can use terms that aren't derogatory when used internally, but when used by an outside source it is? Some would agree that it is wrong and no one should use those words and others would say they have a right to. Some would say, depending on context depends on racism or not.
Reflinks I agree. Non-Activation I typically agree. Multi-wins there can be a few problems there, we handle MOST of those the same way but there are issues.
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They can read them , they can ignore them but with clear set of rules support could finally start chopping heads off .
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Well, I think support already have a clear set of rules, called "standard operating procedures", that cg implemented 2 months ago to serve as a guide for support members and make their decisions more consistent between different members of the team. As I don't know which are those "standard operating procedures" I can't be sure, but it sounds like that.
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Now that's how CG thinks i guess. You cant make a hole in a wall if there is no wall to begin with. Win/Win situation really.
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No, I think I read something like that, but I don't remember where I saw it or who said it. But it makes some sense to me.
I'm still searching but I can't find it >_< (I would swear I learned the word "loophole" in this site).
Meanwhile, I did find this, but it is not exactly the same we are debating here I think.
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The Support members mention loopholes on a regular basis. You could very well be remembering one of our quotations.
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I found this comment whcih could have been the one confusing me
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Problem: No reliable way of hiding threads/comments other than from 3rd party userscripts.
Solution: Implement the popular userscripts such as ignore/block as a common feature. Make this a separate thing to blacklisting and totally anon, make it work both ways eg, If I mute user X, I can not see their posts and threads and they can't see mine.
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I don't exactly have this problem, but I agree that some popular scripts should really be implemented, like infinite scrolling, name changes for easy identification, et cetera.
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+1 Idiot mob mentality at work.
What they've failed to see, however, is that they're all every bit as bad as the people they condemn.
Hypocrisy at its finest, but par for the course for most.
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I'm going to post this here because you all need to read this.
The real problem here, whether users want to admit it or not, is the lack of empathy you all have with one another. People would rather complain in posts like these and in passive aggressive threads, then actually take steps in solving the problem. Instead of posting a salty thread/comment and inciting a riot, maybe the community can come together and heal. Here’s an idea: How about reach outside of your comfort zone and extend an olive branch to someone you have a problem with for whatever reasons and try to make amends? How about going out of your way to be polite and show genuine care towards another user that's not in your precious group or immediate social circle. That doesn't work? How about ignoring a salty post altogether and growing some thicker skin, you know, cause this is the internet we're talking about.
You're all acting like children and need to grow up. That's the problem. Bickering back and forth about something that originated half a year ago. You want change to happen? It start's with yourself.
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I've been ignoring it lately. I tried extending an olive branch to one user, and was told I was mocking the mentally ill. With another user, I was called a Nazi for over a year in giveaways, threads, and in Steam groups.
I've been ignoring it lately. Until yesterday, when I saw the most disgusting behavior I've yet witnessed on SG from a group of people who seem to believe they're better than other users on this site, and should have the right to decide not only who mods this site, but also who stays or goes. Well, I'm sure you read the rest of the thread.
Should I ever become like those people, I'll gladly submit my own perma-suspension request and spare you the trouble.
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Seriously ? I've been reading both Make SG great again-threads yesterday so what the frack did I miss or has being sarcastic been declared a crime recently ?
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14 days suspension... Sounds absolutely reasonable.
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I'm too adorable to get suspended.
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I'm going to post this here because you all need to read this.
The real problem here, whether users want to admit it or not, is the lack of empathy you all have with one another. People would rather complain in posts like these and in passive aggressive threads, then actually take steps in solving the problem. Instead of posting a salty thread/comment and inciting a riot, maybe the community can come together and heal. Here’s an idea: How about reach outside of your comfort zone and extend an olive branch to someone you have a problem with for whatever reasons and try to make amends? How about going out of your way to be polite and show genuine care towards another user that's not in your precious group or immediate social circle. That doesn't work? How about ignoring a salty post altogether and growing some thicker skin, you know, cause this is the internet we're talking about.
You're all acting like children and need to grow up. That's the problem. Bickering back and forth about something that originated half a year ago. You want change to happen? It start's with yourself.
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Ohh, admit it you're just posting this here because you liked my GIF so much :P
But I'll take your advice and remove myself from the equation and not comment on the matter further.
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I'm going to post this here because you all need to read this.
The real problem here, whether users want to admit it or not, is the lack of empathy you all have with one another. People would rather complain in posts like these and in passive aggressive threads, then actually take steps in solving the problem. Instead of posting a salty thread/comment and inciting a riot, maybe the community can come together and heal. Here’s an idea: How about reach outside of your comfort zone and extend an olive branch to someone you have a problem with for whatever reasons and try to make amends? How about going out of your way to be polite and show genuine care towards another user that's not in your precious group or immediate social circle. That doesn't work? How about ignoring a salty post altogether and growing some thicker skin, you know, cause this is the internet we're talking about.
You're all acting like children and need to grow up. That's the problem. Bickering back and forth about something that originated half a year ago. You want change to happen? It start's with yourself.
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I seriously don't even know what the hell is going on at this point besides everyone being angry and/or confused and some people throwing in esoteric solutions and fortune-cookie wisdom to magically solve the issues :D
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Believe me, I've had to read discussions and posts that dated back since before August of last year too get caught up on what all these users are bickering back and forth on.
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repeated offences result in longer suspension. Like for your first non-activation you get 5 day vacation, for 2nd 10 day, for 3rd permaban. Still certain someone should be glad there's apparently no 3rd strike rule here about her suspensions.
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With GAs that end in a few days. Not delivering wins ticket incoming. :o
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As far as I know the thing that makes a not delivered GA punishable and not just a harmless mistake is the intentional decision to not deliver a game to a certain winner or intent to not deliver in general.
So the way I see it even if one of the winners files a ticket about it that ticket is mute and support won't act on it because the person in question can't deliver the game right now but will be back in 14 days and will most likely deliver the games then.
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Yeah, I just meant that the winners may not know this or don't even check her profile, but file tickets then. The smiley didn't help. :-(
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Sorry ;) I'm just playing SG laywer because I sometimes find it fascinating how complex SG rules can be. And non of that advanced stuff is mentioned in FAQ or Guidelines; but that's a entirely different story.
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Did you just swear under the eyes of the gods that protect the twelve colonies :o?
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No idea where the extra Frack yeah! is coming from. This is my first time adding text to an existing GIF so I couldn't find out how to get rid of it :D
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As always i'm sleeping when all drama occurs on SG.What did happen with...redacted? :x
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I thought that ressurecting this thread might help stopping another witch-hunt if poeple had a issue focused thread, but it seems I was clearly naive. :/
Anyways, <redacted>'s treatment was unfair imo, especially considering the duration.
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I believe this was the third time the user was suspended so (I think?) that is the reason why it is for so long. Seems like this user is known for bad behaviour, it seems like they were the only one involved this time, as in there was only two threads and it was by the user you speak of.
In the past I did a similar thing in spite of them creating a thread in the same light, I got a 5 day suspension I think... This time I just sat back and laughed at the pure sadness of it... I honestly pity the user and hope they get help soon :)
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I've read the whole discussion and tbh, the user might have crossed a line in a " heated debate" with another user. Both of them were rude towards each other. I honestly think that 2 weeks is just too much, but the biggest problem imo is that one got 2 weeks of suspension while the other walk away scot-free. I don't think this is right.
You can't punish people differently for the same thing. Also, there is no such a thing as previous reasons counting towards bigger punishments in the rules. If someone was not punished when something happened, they cannot simply be retroactively added later.
Just my 2 cents. Back to the issues now. :)
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Well, I can't really comment on this debate... As I didn't actually read the thread until they posted the second one as I was curious and I skimmed through it.
Again, I can't really comment on it as I have no idea what the actual reason is because if you look at the suspension list there is actually nothing over a week excluding permanent bans... That's why I said they maybe have taken the past into it as well. I think the last one was 10 days so it just seems they are increasing it every time they do something bad. Once more, again, I can't comment as I don't know what happens... But... If a user has unredemed wins, doesn't that increase also? Its been a while since I've actually suspended a user as I don't do many public giveaways or giveaways I need to check. But I do remember having users perma banned after a few times. So I'm guessing it does increase each time... Okay I'm rambling, but what I'm saying is this person seems to frequently do this sort of thing and just increases the extremeness until they get told off... So, in my opinion it seems fair (and no I'm not just saying it because I dislike the person)
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the certain someone did not get suspended for this discussion, rather by their older topic that should have been moderated days ago, but was not until jatan stepped in. as for duration - repeated opffences result in longer suspension, 1st suspension is no long to teach you the lesson, if youy refuse to learn later suspensions are longer. For example non-activation for 1st time is 5day susp, 2nd time 10 day susp, 3rd time permaban. Certain someone should be happy 3rd strike rule apply only to some suspensions or certain someone would now be gone for good, not just for 2 weeks.
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that should have been moderated days ago, but was not until jatan stepped in.
Totally this... It's like when Jatan is out for 2 weeks on (work) vacation that no one can fill his place even when there were about 7 SG support members added (I think) and that there were other SG (super) mod promotions. Jatan isn't the only SG mod on SG. So no other support actually saw these 2 joke thread camouflaged hate and calling out threads or wanted to do anything about it or didn't warn their mods? One was left open 3 days and the other one 7 days.
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So no other support actually saw these 2 joke thread camouflaged hate and calling out threads or wanted to do anything about it or didn't warn their mods? One was left open 3 days and the other one 7 days.Of all people to actually say anything about having petty thinly veiled passive-aggressive threads, this coming from you? When all your recent giveaway(buying people's favors) threads have all had petty passive-aggressive long winding starting posts?
And your hypocrisy to say something about hate when you kept calling her a slut and I stopped you from being sexist but your only defense was basically "People talk about sex. I can call her a slut. You're not doing what I want therefore you're a stazi admin."
It has always bothered me how "holier-than-thou" you act here in the forums when behind the scenes you're something much sinister. It only came to my attention considering a lot more people are able to read through your old GAs now.
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I'm going to post this here because you all need to read this.
The real problem here, whether users want to admit it or not, is the lack of empathy you all have with one another. People would rather complain in posts like these and in passive aggressive threads, then actually take steps in solving the problem. Instead of posting a salty thread/comment and inciting a riot, maybe the community can come together and heal. Here’s an idea: How about reach outside of your comfort zone and extend an olive branch to someone you have a problem with for whatever reasons and try to make amends? How about going out of your way to be polite and show genuine care towards another user that's not in your precious group or immediate social circle. That doesn't work? How about ignoring a salty post altogether and growing some thicker skin, you know, cause this is the internet we're talking about.
You're all acting like children and need to grow up. That's the problem. Bickering back and forth about something that originated half a year ago. You want change to happen? It start's with yourself.
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You missed me out, but luckily I caught you on the recent reply!
I'm sorry for all the drama caused, I never thought this would come to this. All I wanted to do was give games and forget about the shit in my life for a few minutes of the day. I tried to ignore it but I didn't try hard enough. I truly respect you, Fyantastic. You are one of the good ones. Thank you for making this comment and I will try to take on your advice to the best of my ability.
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Don't apologize to me. Go try contacting the users you have a problem with, and apologize to them. I'd be shocked if noone had anything to apologize for at this point.
and thank you :)
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I may try to do that in the near future. I feel like they are still too angry to have a civil conversation with. I'd rather do it once its settled down :)
If any of the three are reading this (and at this point I'm sure you are since one of you have mentioned things I've said,) I have unblocked communication so if you feel up to it... We can talk it out :)
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I'm just sick and tired of it. I was over it before I posted a thread a month ago... Thats why I ignored the suspended user's threads
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I'm going to post this here because you all need to read this.
The real problem here, whether users want to admit it or not, is the lack of empathy you all have with one another. People would rather complain in posts like these and in passive aggressive threads, then actually take steps in solving the problem. Instead of posting a salty thread/comment and inciting a riot, maybe the community can come together and heal. Here’s an idea: How about reach outside of your comfort zone and extend an olive branch to someone you have a problem with for whatever reasons and try to make amends? How about going out of your way to be polite and show genuine care towards another user that's not in your precious group or immediate social circle. That doesn't work? How about ignoring a salty post altogether and growing some thicker skin, you know, cause this is the internet we're talking about.
You're all acting like children and need to grow up. That's the problem. Bickering back and forth about something that originated half a year ago. You want change to happen? It start's with yourself.
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You've got a point to some extent Fyantastic but the undeniable fact remains that nothing happened until Jatan was back from (work) vacation and took responsibility and stepped in while this premeditated hate and calling out drama was already rampant, one for 3 days and the other one for 7 days.
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Have you seen my Support permissions, Lost? If you have, you would know I can't close threads, neither can either other support members that saw the thread.
I'll remind you that we support members are all volunteers: Which means I personally, am hesitant to message any mod outside of this site for babysitting reasons, unless I find it an absolute emergency.
Again, it's up to you and everyone else involved in growing up, showing maturity and resolving these issues on your own. You know, like adults.
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Yes I have and I do know about the permissions Fyantastic (they are documented here: https://www.steamgifts.com/roles/support) and that's the reason why I posted that Jatan isn't the only mod on SG and that support members could have contacted Jatan or the other (super) mods that do have the permissions.
Also in this very thread there are SG members very clearly calling out other SG members and doing other inappropriate behavior, just saying so you know, because you're a support member.
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I posted that Jatan isn't the only mod on SG and that support members could have contacted Jatan or the other (super) mods that do have the permissions.
You are absolutely correct, but reread my statement on us being volunteers. How would you like it if you just got off work, you just got home and then you have multiple co-workers texting you and calling you all hours of the night for something work related. I don't feel comfortable doing that.
Also in this very thread there are SG members very clearly calling out other SG members and doing other inappropriate behavior, just saying so you know, because you're a support member.
I'll say this again, there is not one single party involved in this that has been innocent, not one. If you had Support barging in on every thread, suspending users over every comment, we would not have a forum to moderate. We had a Mod years ago do that, and I hear it wasn't very popular. As far as individual tickets, I'm working on it.
I'm of the persuasion that we are all adults, and shockingly, I think we can all still act like adults. My assumption may be wrong, but I'm taking it and running with it.
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you would know I can't close threads, neither can either other support members that saw the thread.
The thing is when a support member posts in a thread like that and doesn't take action, it's often interpreted as implicit approval of what is being posted. You can't turn off the support tag so other users look at how the leaders of the community are acting. If they participate in an inflammatory thread, then it signals that behavior is ok
If SleepyCat posted a thread about Russian/USA politics and made inflammatory comments, sure that's not against the rules, but it looks bad on support
Just my thoughts, I don't want to tell support how to do their job
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Any thread I've posted in, I've explicitly let all parties involved know how stupid this whole childish bickering back and forth is.
Multiple times.
Go back and read all my comments. There's no single party involved in this that's innocent.
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I agree that everyone has a portion of the blame, and I know that you are very careful in your phrasing when you wade in the muck. I shouldn't have used "you" in my post as I meant it to be "you support members" and not Fyan specifically
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As someone who has no idea what happened half a year ago, I would agree with this and add that not only are people being immature, but obviously y'all cared about each other at one point & some part of you still feels that way otherwise you really wouldn't get this upset over every teeny-tiny thing that the other person posts.
Everyone needs to swallow their pride and talk it out, I promise it won't be as bad you imagine; it'll make you feel better, the other person feel better & overall everyone in the forums who have no idea feel better (atleast me)
Sometimes, friendship can be magic, you just gotta believe guys. Just don't bring up the past. Whatever happened is not worth it, be willing to accept that if you got hurt by something then the other person did as well. There is no metric to measure who was more cruel, so just accept everyone involved did something wrong at some point. 😺✌
If willing, you guys can ask Fyantastic or someone as a neutral party to make you guys chat on curse or something.
Just talk it out 👍
Edit: And just to add, all the original parties are just being used by random people for "poops & giggles, dramaLOL", please realise that any person who pretends to be on your side of an argument has some vested spectator interest.
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Which is even worse for a couple of reasons:
- Both of them did not break any rules. And no, not even inappropriate behavior. Very sarcastic though.
- Even if they were considered as inappropriate behavior, you can't enforce past transgressions retroactively because of present problems.
With that said, both of you crossed a line in that thread (and also for the creator for calling her out, it doesn't matter if he forgot or not, it's not right).
A 2 day supension for each one, would have been fair according SG's rules. A bit more if any of you have already done this before, but for some reason that I simply cannot understand she's banned for 2 weeks and you're here.
You're right, a certain someone really should be happy, but because the mods didn't enforce their own rules in that thread.
I hate to write things like this and I didn't create this thread for this, but you're not making it easier for me.
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Seems like this user is known for bad behaviour, it seems like they were the only one involved this time
You sure about that? Seems Archi also posted a conversation about her in his own thread and left it for everyone to see, while removing the names of the members of his group to protect their identities.
As far as I'm concerned everyone involved in that conversation are as guilty as you're claiming Mully is, and Archi's thread was the same as Mully's, minus the sarcasm and humor.
Had Archi posted a rude conversation about you in that thread, I'm sure you would be reacting differently right now. Let's remember, it wasn't long ago that this did happen to you, and you and your boyfriend exploded all over the forums (and hey, guess what? NO SUSPENSIONS FOR EITHER OF YOU FOR THAT)
Also, just because you weren't suspended, doesn't mean you didn't deserve to be. I can think of four separate occasions you've posted your wishlist in your threads, for which another user (who didn't even post their wishlist, but rather asked others to post theirs), was suspended for "begging."
I honestly pity you, that you think you're any better.
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Tzaar, can you please listen to Fyantastic. Can we put this behind us?
Here is a few links if you want to fill in a user report for begging. I'll happily be suspended for these acts if this will make you and others happy. I promise I will restrict linking anything to any purchases, wishlists or otherwise. For now I will do the time.
[1](https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/LJ3Do/how-many-games-do-you-have)
[2](https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/adPE9/how-do-i-keep-doing-this)
[3](https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/vi9Zu/off-topic-spam-summer-sale-with-bundle-crap-ended)
[4](https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/D7FzC/a-sadistic-puzzle-dragons-dogma-level-3)
[5](https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/wpzLY/users-wishlisted-giveaways-featuring-doom-hellblade-many-more)
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My point wasn't that you should be reported or that I'd be the one to do it.
My point was this - that you've been suspended fewer times than Mully is no measure of who is better. For instance, Mully was initially suspended for begging in a thread where she never begged. Several users even pointed it out in the thread. She didn't post her wishlist, but I have a screenshot of the suspension ticket that says "Begging." (it was later changed) shrug
Also, there are times you should have been suspended and weren't. You've noted a few of them above.
Really makes you wonder if that person who said "support should stop protecting Mullins" really knows what the hell they're talking about, doesn't it? ;)
Oh and just for the record, my last suspension was for posting a Monty Python clip. No shit. :)
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Well, I'm pretty sure majority if not all support hate me and I'm pretty sure cg doesn't like me either as I've been told. I'm sure they are dying for me to actually leave so maybe in the future I'll give them a reason to get rid of me :)
I personally don't see linking my wishlist as begging... But each to their own. Plus, I've never been given a game during those threads I linked, so I'm either a terrible beggar or others feel the same as I do. I've been gifted games for being "nice", being a girl, people wanting to play games with me, for birthdays or christmas, helping them feel better in a hard time but never because I linked my wishlist.
If you feel I should be suspended then I would highly suggest reporting me. I don't think I'm any better than Mullins in the slightest. I just feel like her threads were out of the blue and I don't know why they were created excluding to maybe vent her anger about whatever she wrote about... Like how many puzzle pieces are in a puzzle and stuff idk. I've been ignoring you guys for the most part, but in my honest opinion I thought it was rather childish and I thought that 3-4 months after everything... It would have settled down. Like I said to Fyantastic, I am tired of this and I think once things have settled down we can maybe talk things out (if there is anything to talk about) or actually ignore each other.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever said support is protecting Mullins. I know she is friends with some but I don't recall saying that. Maybe I did, I say a lot of things. I feel like support is against Mullins for the better, I think maybe she needs a couple weeks away to calm down and maybe she can come back posting her happy/funny gifs and such like she used to do. I really hope this is the end of all this. I hate all of this and what its come to.
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I personally don't see linking my wishlist as begging... But each to their own
Support does. They not only suspended you for it, but suspended someone for it who didn't even do it. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence that it's against the rules, whether we agree with it or not.
I'm about to clue EVERYONE in now - Mully doesn't get angry on SG. She gets sarcastic. Archi doesn't like things on SG, he posts a lists of things he doesn't like (though that conversation bit was way out of line, no matter how you look at it). Mully doesn't like something on SG, she makes sarcastic comments about it. The few times I've seen her angry, she gets silent. Dead silent. Lasted for a month with me one time. None of you have seen her "angry" on SG. Even yesterday, when her name was clearly posted in the OP, she cracked jokes and was sarcastic about it (to a point).
I'm wondering how many others here would have reacted better.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've ever said support is protecting Mullins
Never said you did. I said someone did and that, given Mully was suspended for something she didn't do, it's something to think about. Some people think support is protecting Mully, and I can assure you that some think they're protecting you, or me, or someone else.
I've been ignoring you guys for the most part
You guys? My name is Tzaar. I think for myself. When I speak, I speak for myself. Period. I had strings, but now I'm free, there are no strings on me. I do wish people would get that through their heads. There's no Tzaar and Mully, no Steffke and Mully, no Jatan and Tzaar (inb4 suspension). There's just Tzaar.
I don't believe I've commented on a thread of yours in ages? SGIgnore until just a few days ago, IIRC (might be a bit more, but only by a day or two).
I feel like support is against Mullins for the better, I think maybe she needs a couple weeks away to calm down and maybe she can come back posting her happy/funny gifs and such like she used to do
I don't think a couple weeks away is going to cure her cancer. I also don't think someone should be expected to pretend to be happy or satisfied with things when they're not. It's ironic that some people can post things they don't like about SG or life or politics or whatever, but others are expected to shut up and post happy gifs? Even more ironic that someone else insults her even for doing that (you know who).
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Support does. They not only suspended you for it
Yeah that is true, however I did mention 4 other times which they seemed to think was okay. The 5th time was a childish and deliberate dig at Mullins thread/comments.
Mully doesn't get angry on SG. She gets sarcastic.
A user pointed out that it doesn't seem like sarcasm anymore. If it genuinely is sarcasm then I'll put my hand up and accept I'm wrong. But... I don't know, it just seems like its a bit over the top for it not to be serious. But yes I do actually believe I have seen her angry for a brief period where she privated her profile and changed her avatar and I didn't see her around and I was very active at the time.
Never said you did.
Fair enough. I honestly don't think they are protecting anyone... I just think they are doing their role of support. I wish I could see some explanation of why she was suspended to be honest. I mean I totally get it, you may not, but I and others do actually see it as inappropriate behaviour, and I feel like she knows its wrong as she has done something similar literally under 6 months ago.
You guys? My name is Tzaar.
I'm just trying to cut the word count... I'd rather not refer you all as Tzaar, Steffke, Mullins and whoever else has joined in the fun the past few months! I mean as a collective whole I have used SGIgnore on everyone I'd rather not read a comment/thread from because it seems like every X amount seems like it can relate to me or other users. I'd rather not spend my time overthinking about a random comment I can just collapse instantly.
And no you haven't commented on a thread of mine in a long time and neither have the others. What I mean is just your general activity. I'm just avoiding all interaction that can lead to more pointless drama. I'm glad you did the same with the script.
I don't think a couple weeks away is going to cure her cancer.
Should you be sharing something so personal about her? Nonetheless, you can send her your wishes from me (I don't care who it is, cancer is a bitch. I have a couple of family members who suffer from it. One... I don't know how long he has left..) But fair enough, but it doesn't matter how shitty or amazing your life is, I don't feel like there is a need for her passive aggressive comments. But thats just my two cents. I remember Mullins vaguely when I joined and she certainly was not like she is now. Its strange to think that I had all three of you whitelisted at a point, but hey what you gonna do...
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But yes I do actually believe I have seen her angry for a brief period where she privated her profile and changed her avatar and I didn't see her around and I was very active at the time.
I said you haven't seen her angry on SG. And are you really "ignoring" someone if you're checking their profile? ;) Chances are she was angry at me for something or angry at something in her personal life, which she doesn't post here. At all. And that's nobody's business anyway. Her recent avatar change was done long before she was suspended. She may have privated her profile because a couple of SG users were harassing her repeatedly on it. (They've done the same thing to at least one other user here to my knowledge).
I mean I totally get it, you may not, but I and others do actually see it as inappropriate behaviour
You act as if I'm the only one who disagrees on that point. I assure you I'm not the only one. Go look at her most recent thread. A lot of people enjoyed it. A few didn't, but they can never ignore anything anyway. I can also assure you, there are people who believe you've done inappropriate things here as well and gone unpunished completely. Same goes for me. C'est la vie.
I'd rather not refer you all as Tzaar, Steffke, Mullins and whoever else has joined in the fun the past few months!
And you're still assuming I follow a pack mentality and lumping us together, even after admitting you haven't seen anything from me. Are you ignoring me, aren't you, or am I perhaps not doing what you think I am and maybe you (and others) just want to think I am? Or maybe you want others to think I am? I don't know. Also, if you're going to lump me in with a certain group of people, couldn't I do the same with you? Some of the people you "hang out with" aren't exactly sunshine and roses, either (and one of them was harassing the two people mentioned above). I'll at least refrain from doing so (edit: lumping you together), however.
What I mean is just your general activity.
That's extremely vague, unless you're referring to "us" as a "collective mind" again. If you don't like my personal activity, then by all means, keep ignoring it. I'm not going to change to please a handful of people here, and most definitely not for one. I really haven't changed much at all since I joined the site. I may be a bit more outspoken, but that's only because I'm more comfortable now. I still don't make threads. Edit: But never expect me to sit idly by while I watch people talk down or talk shit about my friends.
Should you be sharing something so personal about her?
Oh, I'm sure I'll catch hell about it, but it adds necessary context to the discussion. It's not so important what I posted as why I posted it. Of course she changed. Who the fuck wouldn't that change? Would you want people telling you "hehe, Chicken, post funny gifs, plz!" if you were going through something like that? Context is everything here.
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And are you really "ignoring" someone if you're checking their profile?
Like I said this was when I was very active, as in before any of the drama happened. I was just lurking and happened to see her avatar which was just a black square and noticed it was her. Curious of the odd choice in avatar I decided to "stalk" to see she had a private profile... Or actually thinking about it I think it was just a plain profile and someone asked why she had a clean out... I don't know it was a long time ago. Anyway, not relevant anyway. (Before I move on, you all seem to think people stalk you. The only time I've been on your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, silly (I think thats everyone I can think of... Now I'm going to copy and paste this list, so I'm ensuring you all stay individual) profiles was in the beginning when I was a member of BAA and new to SG in general or the odd time when your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, silly refered to your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly's profile.
You act as if I'm the only one who disagrees on that point.
I think that is just you assuming thats what I think. I don't think that at all. I mean you'd be an idiot not to, since there was 300-500 comments on the thread when I read it. Shes been on here 4-5 years so of course there are people who know of her and like her presence. But many people like Trump and think he is Jesus in carrot form with a wig but that doesn't mean he is a good person or does good things.
And you're still assuming I follow a pack mentality and lumping us together
I mean... If you want me to get specific then I will. Its not like when someone says "SG users giveaway games" you don't tell them to list the million users individually... But whatever tickles your pickle. What I mean by ignoring is not just about bad behaviour, I just genuinely don't want to see your comments/giveaways/threads. So I have used the SGInore script on your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly. So I won't have to see ANYTHING good or bad from your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly. I did not say that anybody I "hang out with" is perfect. Nobody is. Like literally didn't say anything to do with them.
That's extremely vague, unless you're referring to "us" as a "collective mind" again
I mean I do not want to see your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly's general activity and yes after this I will continue to toggle the ignore on your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly's profiles. But yeah I don't want your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly to change because what you do is none of my business and doesn't effect me in the slightest.
but it adds necessary context to the discussion
I have to disagree with you there. It does not add anything to it. I do not think someone should be passive aggressive to anyone in real life or on the internet. Like if I was in work and a customer decided she was going to complain about my service because she had a brain tumor isn't relevant at all. A murderer killing because their hamster died doesn't mean shit. Like what goes on in your, mullins, steffke, yunie, er.. the other one her boyfriend/husband, sillly, wallister, mine, lost, for god sake an SG user's (sorry for offending anyone) life does not mean you take it out on others. Like change in whatever way you want, but change for the good not for the bad. I don't know a thing about her or what she does but she should enjoy every moment she has here despite what is going on and I hope she is doing that.
Honestly, I think this is just going to be an endless back and forth here... I'm calling it a night (or morning because 3:48am) but nothing personal but I won't be replying on the matter further on the forums. If you want to continue this conversation feel free to comment on my profile to unblacklist you to continue on a previous giveaway or add me on steam. Have a good week :P
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the black avatar
Ah yes, when she and I weren't speaking for a month. I remember that.
Before I move on, you all seem to think people stalk you.
I've seen you say the same. I thought you were talking about her current avatar, after you said you ignored her. I asked if you were ignoring her if you're checking her profile. The word "stalk" was never brought up.
But many people like Trump and think he is Jesus in carrot form with a wig but that doesn't mean he is a good person or does good things.
Except Mully is a good person and does good things. She's made several scripts, a couple userstyles, and is always one of the first in a thread to help someone with an issue. Comparing her to Trump to paint her in a bad light is a bit rude.
So I won't have to see ANYTHING good or bad from you
You have my comments ignored. You seem fond of reminding me. Then how do you know what I'm saying or doing? If I'm good or bad? Or doing absolutely anything at all? If you're truly ignoring me, then why ask me to put anything behind me? You won't see it anyway. Why would a blind man fix a hole in a wall when he can't see it to know it's there?
do not think someone should be passive aggressive to anyone in real life or on the internet.
You've done the same. You've made threads about it, even ages ago - even full on aggressive ones. Still, just because you (or anyone else) think Mully's changed doesn't mean she has. I was just explaining that she has every right and reason to change. We all do, regardless of what we're going through. Just because you want happy gifs and sunshine and rainbows doesn't obligate anyone. In my opinion, you've changed. too, and in much the same way she has. Regardless, what you think someone else should or shouldn't do isn't important enough to everyone for them to make that change for you. To expect them to conform to your wishes, a group of people's wishes, or even everyone's wishes is well ... a bit out of line.
Keep in mind. I've not once in our entire discussion asked you to change anything about what you're doing, who you are, how you react to things, or anything about yourself. I've simply pointed out that you're no better than Mully, but I don't expect either of you to change.
Like change in whatever way you want, but change for the good not for the bad.
You're suggesting someone with a possibly terminal disease just ignore it and change for the good (that's assuming she's not good to begin with)? Didn't I catch hell for simply telling you that you need a thicker skin? I was even told I was mocking the mentally ill, for crying out loud. You're expecting the same of someone else now, and someone who is not just depressed, but also has a disease. I suppose if I tell you I have a degenerative eye disease you'll tell me to go post some happy gifs and forget about it? Come on, Chicken ... you and I both know how you've reacted to bad things that happened not only here on the forums, but in your personal life, and how it's affected your presence here. And really, expecting someone to act a certain way simply because you don't like the way they're acting?
It really seems to me that it's you holding a grudge here and not me at all. Maybe it's been behind me for a while? Maybe I stopped caring about it a long time ago, and still see others carrying that same dirty laundry around with them. You're saying Mully does, and I'm saying you do as well In fact, I'm saying you BOTH do. (I'm saying there are several others as well). I've seen you both making disparaging remarks, and I've seen you cast aspersions at her character here. By default, I'm catching a few of those aspersions myself, simply through association. If I, too, judged you by some of your friends, well ... let's just say my opinion of you would go down dramatically.
This isn't between you and me at all, I suspect, at least not from my end. This is because I'm friends with Mully and you don't like her. That makes it between the two of you. Leave me out of it, but keep in mind - she is my friend. If you (or anyone) attacks her, I will have something to say about it, same as I'd expect you to have something to say if roles were reversed.
I can assure you of one thing, though - you won't see my friends posting your name in the OP of a thread like what happened yesterday. If they did, I'd have something to say about that, too. After that thread, though, I'm more convinced than ever that this community should never be allowed to decide who mods it. If anything, that point was driven home by the final reply in that thread.
Lastly -- Mully hasn't been here for 5 years, same as I haven't been here for almost three. That's just the age of our accounts. I've been active here for almost two, and I believe she's been active here for three (maybe 4?)
I've said everything I had to say here, nothing to hide. You have a good week as well. :)
I am curious - you explained the avatar thing, but how did you know how many comments she had on her recent thread if you had her on SGIgnore? I couldn't tell you how many you had on your last thread, because I never saw it. ;)
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Stop trying to prove who is "more wrong" or "worst". Mullins got suspended for repeated poor behaviour, end of discussion.
Everyone involved has done something wrong, you and me included. I'm trying to stay out of this one because its getting ridiculous. I suggest you do the same.
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Seriously, there are people here that I see acting like dicks or that spoiled the trains that I don't bother making any more or that I see ruining other peoples shit or whatever else and I could start an internet fight every time I visit. Sometimes you just have to think about all the internet porn that you could searching for instead of wasting your time and go and be the better person. I don't always manage to do the right thing (and sometimes my cat is watching me anyway) but I think it is important to try.
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I can stand a lot of things, Sixes. One thing I can't stand is hypocrisy, and I saw a helluva lot of it yesterday.
I watched people do the exact thing they were condemning in another. The exact thing. I also saw a lot of them condemning calling out, bots, and a multitude of other things - things some of them do themselves. It's a damned good thing I don't post what I know around here.
All things considered, I've remained pretty damned patient and pretty damned quiet about a lot of things I've seen around here.
I mean seriously, I've had one deluded jackass going around telling people I'm a Nazi for the past year.
I do have limits, though. ;)
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Hypocrisy winds me up and there is little shortage of it here. Fyantastic made a good post but I think he missed one important point when he was telling to people to be thick skinned. Actual offence here is less common than people baiting and provoking each other and then crying about being offended so they can get people who disagree with them suspended and silenced and carry on without opposition. And then only shitposters are prepared to pop their heads out of the trenches of discussions and that becomes your excuse to call for even more mods and rules and suspensions and censorship until all opposition is destroyed. And then once everybody is in agreement it's time to drink the kool-aid and walk into the light.
You can be a martyr to the cause or part of the problem or pursue other interests. It will be unlikely to become a matter of historical record.
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but I think he missed one important point when he was telling to people to be thick skinned. Actual offence here is less common than people baiting and provoking each other and then crying about being offended so they can get people who disagree with them suspended and silenced and carry on without opposition
I agree. It takes quite a bit to offend me, though, and my blunt manner can probably seem offensive to others who aren't as thick-skinned as I (usually) am.
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If nothing else consider using 'I don't give two tugs of a drowned dogs dick' instead of 'I don't give two shits'. I've always gotten away with that one for some reason...
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Someone will probably start accusing me of sexually abusing animals if I do that. ;)
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It's certainly regional and traditional and possibly obscure enough to be ethnic. There are grounds there to make counter-claims about racism and prejudice. It can be made to appear a grey enough area that most mods will go a mile out of their way to avoid ruling on it...
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Wait ... what?
" 'I don't give two tugs of a drowned dogs dick'" is racist or prejudiced? Yeah that must be regional. I've never even heard the phrase, haha.
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yeah, when we're on hypocrisy point which you so much cannot stand - maybe look at your own comments you posted since yesterday, not especially to me but to other people. Still not seeing anything wrong with them? Ask some neutral person, not some friend from "your side of the baricade" if these are fine and polite comments. You say how you cannot stand hypocrisy, yet you're a hypocrite as well here. Saying how you cannot stand these people posting bad stuff, while you yourself do the same, but if you do so it's fine, right?
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By all means, point out my hypocrisy for the good folks here.
if these are fine and polite comments
Maybe they're not, but they're honest. I said nothing about being polite, though.
I did say people were condemning in others that very thing they were themselves doing. That's hypocrisy.
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we're discussing toxicity in the community, you post toxic comments easy as that. sadly cannot point you out directly cause inb4 your circlejerk comes yelling "calling out!". And yeah, yesterday I was directly told that even if someone asks for call out if I do so it's still calling out.
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we're discussing toxicity in the community, you post toxic comments easy as that.
You might be discussing toxicity, I'm discussing hypocrisy.
Let me know when we're on the same page.
Oh and your hypocrisy? Telling Mully to take her head out of her ass yesterday, then telling me I'm being rude for saying I don't give two shits about suggesting mods for the site. Hell, I even explained it to you, and you still wanted to get all indignant.
Believe it or not - I was actually being polite with you. I just happened to use a slang term and you misunderstood what I was saying (or I wasn't initially clear enough).
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/WHHMcpB here's the link, for those interested.
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yeah, yeah, excuses upon excuses. You somehow missed the topic that was discussed in all topics you commented in the last two days. Because if you somehow noticed it, you'd prove yourself to be same hypocrite you so despise. Not to mention a funny fact of you despising these damn rulebreakers (reminder: calling out is rulebreaking as well) then calling out in the last link yourself. I'd maybe even report you but well, it would make me a hypocrite, cause I happened to argue some instances of calling out yesterday... -.-
That being said, I'm done. You're the first in line to be a fucking SG sheriff and judge all the others, but refuse to see the single flaw in your behaviour, there is no point talking to you, one would have better luck trying to break brick wall by smashing his head into it. So goodnight mister hypocrite :>
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I didn't call anyone out in the last link. That link was to a comment by ME. I just checked it, in fact. If anything I was calling myself out and inviting people to agree with you.
Oh and if you're referring to what I believe you're referring to - the OP called himself out much earlier in the thread.
But hey, whatever docks your yacht, bro. You keep saying you're done, and then replying to me in another thread. Follow through, man,. Follow through.
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oh, I see you take a great example from your suspended friend "I'm not technically breaking the rules, I do not call out because I direct to my comment while instructing to check youre comment, but I do not direct to youre comment" - pathethic, same excuse as "well I did not technically called this person by name so it's not harassment".
And yeah, strangely I keep calling I'm done but the level of your manipulation, hypocrisy and sheer idiocy keeps bringing me back, my bad, sorry.
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I never said you broke any rules. I said you were rude to one person, then cried foul when you thought I was being rude to you.
And again with the insults, the goodbye and ...
wait ...
Now it's MY fault you keep replying? Hahaha. Wow. You're a trip, dude. :)
If I'd known that, you'd have made me a sandwich by now.
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Also thanks for shadow blacklisting - nice to see another sad little kiddo who cannot take the argument and if some bad bad man dares not to argue with your sanctified truths BL thgem for stating opinions :> Really another awesome proof how mature discussing with you are :D:
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Also thanks for shadow blacklisting
Is there such a thing? Was I supposed to announce it? I've had you blacklisted for several weeks, for being rude to someone here on the forums. It had nothing to do with anything yesterday or me at all.
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I just like to say that your second sentence is spot on. I just cannot comprehend how only one 1 person got suspended when a bunch of people were not in their best moments, especially considering that the guy the suspended user "debated" walked away scot-free.
Or you punish everybody or you don't punish anybody.
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sigh They were specifically the type and the people I was pertaining to in my reply to the other thread.
I guess it's what happens when you get friends in places.
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Again? Meh. And 14 days.. jeez. I mean, in the last days her sarcasm was a bit over-the-top for me personally, but that suspension is totally exaggerated ( or I haven't read the postings which this is based on).
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you miss certain fact - it's not 1st nor 2nd suspension for the same thing. It's common thing that with each suspension for the same thing you get longer suspension - becausew you prove that previous punishments haven't taught you a lesson, so there is no point repeating punishment you haven't learn from. In some cases (like non-activation) 3rd suspension would equal instant permaban, here it does not. If it was 1st suspension 14 days may look like an overkill, but if someone proves over and over again they don't give a flying duck about certasin community rules and keep breaking them it is not really exaggerated anymore.
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Thanks, zelg, but I had read your other comment about this and I was at least already active when she had her 2nd suspension. As a normal user I'm not able see what is the reason for the suspension and therefore - even if I had such a great memory - I couldn't count if it's first, second, xth time.
It's always difficult to understand why moderators manage things the way they do, if the postings or threads on which the punishment is based, not exist anymore or aren't marked in that way.
So I have to wonder now: is sarcasm not allowed here? Does it depend on the amount? Per day? Or was one of her reactions on being called out too bad? Or did I miss further things, when I slept and worked?
In the end I can't really build an opinion on it, since I don't have enough information. But most times this leads to an image of "the moderators manage the discussions arbitrary" in the community.
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then look for a particular thread very recently closed by support and you will see the reason. Same as in previous instances.
There are different kinds of sarcasm. It's ok to be sarcastic, it's not ok to use sarcasm as an excuse to get away with rulebreaking. I can sarcastically remark on your avatar and it will be fine. But if I continuously call you out, troll you, even straight harass you and just hide behind sarcasm stating "I'm not doing anything wrong, after all I didn't call you out exactly by your name and actually it's not real harassment, I'm just being sarcastic" it's a different thing. Especially if I did the same freaking time in the past, got suspended for it and continue doing so trying to prove what smartass I am.
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I seriously can't remember how long I got suspended for... Think it was 5 days... It was for inappropriate behaviour and "begging" (people think posting my wishlist is begging. I don't want/need gifts. I can buy my own games. I choose not to because I have 500 already...)
The user and I posted the same-ish thread. So got 5 days (my first and hopefully last suspension) and she got 10 days (I think that was the length and it was the users 2nd suspension at the time, I believe.) She got longer because she has a previous suspension, for the same thing... I have no idea.
So, third time they still haven't learned so it has to be longer. Just like a child you need to punish them for being naughty. Hopefully she will behave once she has sat on the stairs a little longer :3
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Please don't take this as an offense but you do remember Rocket League, don't you ?
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Sorry I don't understand what you mean? Please explain, I won't take offense...
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I just ment that your thread ages ago that you need a 2nd copy of Rocket League for your previous boyfriend so you two can play together and where you can get one for a price that was well below for what RL cost at that time could very easily be interpreted as begging as well.
Don't get me wrong I know that thread was pretty much your intro to SG Discussions and that you have given away several times what the game is worth since then.
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Oh wow... That was years ago... Well, I was actually asking for a site like TremorGames as I believe it didn't have it at the time. I most definitely was not begging. At the time I didn't have money to gift it to him and wanted a way to "earn" it through doing surveys and what not. Of course I was a bit naive after getting a couple of my giveaways from Tremor so I thought it would be possible even with bigger games and the game only cost £15 so I thought it would be done.
I did actually get given a gift copy of the game to give to him, which I was thankful for and thanked him repeatedly. He even forgot when we were playing Left 4 Dead 2 and I reminded him and thanked him again. (He was a good friend and actually was very well known and had given me games and vise versa.)
If you see here, I have given it away so trust me... I don't want gifts. I have also directly gifted the game and several of its DLC. Yes, I've been given a lot of gifts but I've also rejected a lot of gifts.
I hope that cleared things up.
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Oh wow... That was years ago...
;)
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And that's exactly what's wrong with this kmind of bullshit arguments. Each and every one did something either wrong or something someone else disagreed with in the past. Someone doing something you see as wrong in the past is not an excuse for you doing something bad to them in the present - and that's what certain someone was doing and got suspended for. You can even see her argumentation in Archi's closed thread. When I told her she is doing something wrong, she just dodged the topic, responded with "but he did sth wrong in the past so it's fine what I am doing now", "your friends did something wrong, it's okj what I am doing to you". Argumentation on kindergarden level - "I smashed Johnnys head with a wooden brick, but it's ok because Johnny took away my toy car in the first place". Neither you, me or her are police here. We can point out when someone is doing something wrong, but we are not the one to be some kind of punisher vigilantes deciding that "I will now punish you by continuously harassing you". And it goes boith ways. You feel someone is harassing you? Instead of using it as an excuse for future harassment - report them and let people who are supposed to deal with punishments do their fking job.
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I have said that I won't comment on this topic further and I won't but let's just say you and I have a very different definition of harassment and I think the term shouldn't be used so lightly to not delute it's meaning and out of respect to victims of harassment.
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We clearly do, as much as I understand as long as I will create topics no matter what shitfest, calling out content but will call you CowboyBebopEin85 it will be fine and dandy. Good to know, just be grateful unlike certain someone I'd not do that.
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I have no idea what you just said.
Edit: After rereading your comment several times I think I know now what you were trying to say. Actually that is a different rivalry than the one I was talking about and I haven't followed that one as closely. Maybe in this case it was harassment. Frankly I've stopped caring at this point.
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Just like a child you need to punish them for being naughty.
Unfortunately I'm not a daddy yet, therefore my experience is limited, but punishment as only reaction often leads to defiance. Therefore one would have to make sure that the child has understood why it gets punished and how it could do it better as well as motivating it for the latter.
Hopefully she will behave once she has sat on the stairs a little longer
Hopefully, I don't want to forgo those GIFs.
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People tend to forget we are access to information no one else has.
They tend to forget more we are on the same side, we won't do this lightly.
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I was moderator and later also administrator for a officially linked MMORPG community for several years, therefore I believe that I can walk in your shoes (though there were only a few thousand users). Don't take it as personal offense. It's just difficult to relate the punishment, if one doesn't know the reason and can't be sure to have read all possible postings which could have led to it.
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Why do you exactly need to know all the details? It's not really your concern nor anyone's concern beside parties involved, like person punished and ppl who run the stuff. You say you want all the details just to be sure why someone got punished - look at the other side of the coin - how would you feel that if you ever ended up suspended if all the details of your wrongdoing were to be publicized? They'd end up just as fapping fodder for all your enemies, base for future calling out (even if calling out is prohibited on SG, then outside of SG), and it would basically be public shaming, branding etc. Yeah I get it - public shaming, branding can be considered a punishment as well, but it's not kind of punishment that would lead to a healthier community.
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problem: too many "we need to fix SG" threads popping up
solution: stop making them
it has it's minor issues, but nothing worth making a thread about it every single day.
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Problem: don't know how to explain it properly... But to avoid calling out, er, look at the second main comment... Now that's one of the first things people will see and now will be the focus to some people. They disregard the topic and aren't being useful
Solution: the Reddit system. +1 comments to rank comments of usefulness. Sure it's a popularity contest but it gets rid of the useless comments in threads like this
Problem: it took days to close and suspend a user for inappropriate behaviour.
Solution: Support have lives therefore increase the powers of all staff so when others take breaks for irl staff can deal with user issues
Problem: discussions is crowded
Solution: break up the discussions with sub categories. As much as I like the system as it is, the site has grown too much to stay this way. We need "off topic", introduction and "problems solving" so the flood of threads can be organised further. The user base has grown and it needs to be organised accordingly. Take the problem sub, it means that all the questions of "why did I drop level?" Etc can all go in the one place so it doesn't get lost or put above other general threads.
Problem: mods can't move or close threads
Solution: kind of already said. Give mods more power
I'm going to stop now. I still have issues but I just woke up and not thinking properly. I just want to say that people keep saying there are no problems and there are too many improvements threads... why do you think there are so many then? It's not the same people doing it, so maybe it's just because you haven't realised yet like the others. I think the website isn't perfect like people are making out and there is always room for improvement like anything else in life.
Users have also said "it's just a website, stop caring so much" and you are right it is just a website. Yet you have still took the time to comment on it so you care about it even if it's the slightest amount. If you truly didn't you would have carried on ignoring this and just entering and giving like normal
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Yeah you are right about that. Ugh it's just hard to think of a better solution... maybe mark as spam? If it gets a certain amount then it is automatically deleted? Maybe better :)
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we really need 1 of these topics made every single day though?? can't people use the same topic as the day prior??
that's what i'm getting sick of.. archi just made a topic about this yesterday, and someone else the day prior..
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All 3 of them got closed. Archi's by himself after somebody from support didn't like his suggestions and the 2 other ones by support for crimes against humanity.
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well then that's fair enough.. i haven't been following them that closely. xD
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I have no idea about the other topic. And Well a support member felt like there were no need for improvement so Archi closed the thread. So it can't be bumped. This is a much better thread in terms of others voicing their problems and solutions though. So maybe now you don't have to see another one after today :)
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yeah, sundance said the same.. i wasn't following them that closely.. that makes sense then.
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I guess this means lots of people are complaining about something and that kinda leads to "something is wrong".
Riot is coming
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there's always been something wrong, i'm by no means trying to deny that.. but i just didn't (until people told me the other threads closed) understand why people couldn't use the same thread for the same issue/solution/suggestion comments, rather then open up a new one the next day.
but since it was pointed out to me that the other topics keep closing down, it makes sense to me again and i'll stay outta it. xD
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About first problem:
There is small "-" icon near username which is very useful, you can just hide the comment and its children with it :)
Maybe you already knew this but just wanted to point out ^_^
Second problem:
Created a ticket at April 17 for "Inappropriate Behavior", still not replied or taken action or any other thing. I agree with this one.
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Yeah I know of it! Thank you for pointing it out though! I actually have a script that hides threads, comments ect posted by selected users
The collapse means there is a chance you will read the comment and I'd rather not
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+1 for good suggestions, except reddit +1, as someone pointed to me yesterday, "Reddit-style actively discourages deeper discussion and encourages group think" Maybe a helpful button, instead of +1 or a hidden score, like some subreddits use. idk
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Yeah good point! I think helpfulness rating is a much better suggestion!
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Everyone then focused on that, half the replies were posted to that first comment, people got into heated discussion that had nothing to do with the thread
I believe I had a similar problem. Or I've just seen it a lot, but yes this is a big problem. I agree though, I think maybe trying it out if it is easily implemented then it could be great if not then try something else. I also think marking as spam could be a good thing. After a certain amount they will automatically delete the comment. After a certain amount of spam reports from the same user over X amount of time they will be suspended for X amount of time.
Ideally have 3-5 mods dealing -just- with the discussions - giving them power to delete comments, close threads, suspend users.
This. I agree, bunching mods together won't work anymore. I totally agree with you and think having mods do multiple things at once is a bad idea. I know Jatan seems to be very good with keeping track of the threads, but like you said they have a life. I think he was away on holiday for a couple weeks so I think hiring more mods is something that needs to be done. (I know thats just been done but it still doesn't fit the scale of the community yet)
I reported two "well known" SG users in December and the tickets still haven't been resolved.
I seen December and thought it was me until I seen "well known" Its good one of them is suspended even if it is for a separate reason
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problem: unactivated wins
solution: replace the spacecat with a dead cat ugly person holding a dildo
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Problem: Some users keep entering through leaked giveaway links, knowing full well that there's no risk involved doing it, the worst thing that can happen is that they simply don't get the game.
Solution: Make it a reportable offense that results in a suspension. First time they get a warning, then they get progressively longer suspensions, like for unactivated wins.
Problem: Tickets in certain categories still take forever (I've waited a month to get the status of a giveaway changed from not received to received as a "charming" user decided to change the status from "received" to "not received")
Solution: Promote some of the support staff to allow them to deal with tickets like that. Also, keep an active lookout for people who could work well with the support team, because more members are still needed.
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+1 to the first one, pretty much what I discussed about in Archi's topic.
As for 2nd one problem lies not really in support members but whole support structure and cg not wanting to give too much power to them, so cannot be as easilly solved without system changes in the first place.
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Rather improve ST... Heaven of scammers and spammers and adverstiment
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Now, now, that's a very bad attitude. Think of all the pollution :o!
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Oh I loved that scene :D So much determination and stupidity...
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Just like SG/ST ;D.
Best scene in the movie, I almost spit all my coke on the guy sitting in the seat in from of me back in the days :D.
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It was good site. Now? registred 1 min ago, i have game in key form, i want BTC, i wont go first xD. Only yesterday i saw over 40 fake accounts created just to give fake rep. Very nice safety to trading forum. gg
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You forgot to add the part about wanting retail value or more for their key
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Its community problem, cancer like in F2P games.
I bought 3 games in $1 tier in bundle, lol its $60 on Steam, i want GTA V for it or Players unknown + H1Z1! U can save $10 on it, its a good offer! Its same price on Steam! ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)
Or bought on sale for $2 and i want only 5 csgo keys :D we have fun on it with friend every day.
Also ignorants... u can say 500 times i want only games from my want list and 63 of 80 replies are "smth here from my list?" :D srsly?
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Being able to delete comments can be easily abused :(
I also doubt that admin would ever do that, but all suggestions are appreciated because even if they cannot be applied, they might help some else come up with a better version of it.
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I don't have the answer. Nobody alone has the truth. However, everybody knows that a few problems exist, but aren't deal-breakers (and no, rants do not help at all).
With that said, I propose a community-building exercise:
Deal? Deal!
Tbh, I was just trying to dig the original thread that was almost exactly like this one, but I couldn't find it. Therefore, as an homage to the previous creator I've decided to re-create it. Thanks awesome anonymous dude/dudette for the inspiration! If someone manages to find to old thread we can resume from there.
No GAs because "bumps" and "gratz" comments are not allow here. Unless you like to live dangerously
edit: c'mon people try to focus on the issues, not on someone else's comments. Thanks!
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