Have you ever blacklisted or was blacklisted for writing "Thanks" (or something similar) on a giveaway?
It's not a rule, but it's still encouraged to say thanks :
We encourage users to write comments thanking the giveaway creator for their generosity, although this is not required.
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Exactly. I'm scared of writing "thanks" comments unless I win.
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Read description, and you won't have to be afraid.
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I always do that, but I still find it completely arrogant of someone to forbid people to say "thanks".
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What if they don't "forbid" writing thanks but just request something like this:
Please DO NOT post any comment unless you are the winner or have something interesting or helpful to say. Amusing gifs are also welcome :-)
Anything rude or wrong about it?
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I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I still don't think it's right to blacklist people for posting.
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What would you do if these people admit to using a script to enter giveaways and to add such comments, and that they don't bother reading the description?
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I still wouldn't blacklist them. Unless what I posted on the description is a rule like "don't enter if you have a certain amount of the games", in which case I would have to ask for a reroll and blacklist them for breaking the rules.
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Hmmm, that's a special rule, special rules are not allowed anymore, unless you mean "don't enter if you have X games from this package"
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I could easily read this as, "Don't enter my GA if you have 300 or more games"
Which is how I initially interpreted it, it wasn't till after I read the comment, "Don't enter if you have X games from this package" that I understood how I incorrectly interpreted it.
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I thought it was very explicit because I said "of the games", which could only mean that I'm talking about a bundle / package.
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Yes, I realize, I just reread it and that's what you 'said' but that's not what I read... Typical miscommunication: missed a determiner.
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there's no right or wrong when blacklisting (unless i get blacklisted :3 ).
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I think some people blacklist users for saying "thanks" or some derivative thereof because they either disapprove of the practice or they assume that it's an easy way to blacklist bots or script users. There are other scripts for automatically entering into giveaways and whatnot, so some may conclude that those who spam "Thanks" on every giveaway probably also use other scripts, or is a bot.
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Disapproving of the practice is exactly what I find arrogant. If the giveaway creator is against scripts or wants to detect bots, they could simply ask a question in the description and see how many people actually answer it.
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This is actually a good idea. I think I'll experiment with it in my next giveaways.
The question is - how would you handle someone who ignores the question and just writes one of the tnx/ty/etc variants?
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Well, like I told you, I wouldn't do anything. But in your case, for example, you could blacklist them. Or ask them why they ignored the description to see if you can get a reasonable explanation before doing so.
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See? That's an effective workaround. I think I'll start doing it in my public giveaways.
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That's not much more effective because many don't read the descriptions at all, bot or not. I wouldn't consider it arrogant at all, not only because "arrogant" doesn't describe such behavior by definition. For example, I oppose "thank you" comments because I consider them pointless, take up space (and data on the SteamGift servers), and often insincere. They also spam my inbox and flood out the actual conversations I was having. Others may do so for similar reasons, or perhaps even other reasons entirely.
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Maybe "arrogant" is not the right word, but the person is simply being thankful for what you're doing. What's the harm in that? I personally think it's rude to enter a giveaway without thanking the creator, and if there was ever a reason for me to blacklist someone, it would be for that: not posting "thanks". But there should be a way to turn giveaway notifications off or even better: disable the comments for specific giveaways. If this was implemented on SteamGifts, a lot of people's blacklists would reduce and both sides would win: the people who appreciate receiving "thank yous" and the ones who don't.
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But isn't the thankfulness dependent on the sincerity of the person thanking? With so many script users, bots, and copypasting thankers, I'm under the impression that most of the thanks are either insincere or done out of some perceived obligation. In the off-chance that the person is sincere, I'd perhaps appreciate it for a moment (if I knew), but would still probably discourage it. I encourage winners thanking contributors once they won, but thanking for just being allowed to enter? That might as well be implied in the entry.
I personally wouldn't blacklist people for posting "thank yous", even though it annoys me as well, but I can sympathize with those who do. I disapprove of blacklisting for such petty reasons, but I do understand their perspective. I would certainly never blacklist someone for not saying thanks, though, which just sounds spiteful and entitled. As far as I'm concerned, the gratitude is implied in the entry and I have no need for the entrant to profess their thanks in order for me to appreciate it. I'm more glad seeing the entry count go up than seeing the number of "thank you" comments, to be honest. Want to thank me? Share my giveaway or at least enter into it. That's good enough for me.
If this was implemented on SteamGifts, a lot of people's blacklists would reduce and both sides would win: the people who appreciate receiving "thank yous" and the ones who don't.
Perhaps, though some users prefer to have giveaway comments with thoughtful comments, not "thank you" spam. Disabling comments may solve the latter issue, but will also preclude the former.
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finally, some sense regarding these terms... it's exactly that, entitled to expect a thanks when the idea of a gift is to give with nothing in return, it's releasing a balloon into the sky
what i find worse is those pretentious collage images of multiple languages, especially if the person posts it every single time! way to ruin the beauty of language & the sincerity of a thanks
it's also unfortunate that some people feel obliged to say it, as if they were culturally bullied into it, but this is probably a small amount of people
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I disagree but I respect your opinion and I'm glad that you at least don't blacklist people for it.
About the comments... what I meant was for us to have an option, when creating the giveaway, to enable / disable comments.
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I understand that, though it may only partially resolve the issue, if that could be called a resolution at all. The matter of allowing giveaway comments, while receiving thoughtful and constructive comments, remains unresolved. I believe that may be the primary reasoning behind those who oppose "thanks" comments: it's not that they don't like gratitude or hate the users, but that they are sick of the incessant "thank you" spam and would prefer more creative and interesting comments on the giveaways. When I check my inbox, I want to see interesting responses, not a sea of "thanks"—especially if most of them are insincere or posted by bots.
The resolution to this issue of giveaway comment quality, then, is a change in convention. Aside from encouraging better giveaway commenting and description practices, this goal could be achieved through either guiding the discussion or punishing those who follow the convention, or both. In the first method, the contributor could guide the discussion by setting a topic in the description and engaging with the commenters who participate. The second method would be to warn that "thanks" commenters will be blacklisted, or rerolled, or suffer some sort of repercussion for failure to oblige by the request or not posting a "thanks" comment. Either method could be used, or both could be employed; the users you notice tend to take the punishment approach.
With the first approach, this giveaway I made [Screenshot] could be an apt example. In it, I included a discussion topic in the description and engaged the commenters who commented about the discussion topic. It worked surprisingly well, though there were still many "ty" comments. Others may take the blacklisting approach, and you've undoubtedly seen many examples of that. The goal, however, appears to be the same: to change the convention of meaningless and empty "thanks" spam in favor of more thoughtful commentary by the entrants. While disabling the comments could prevent the "thanks" spam, it would ultimately defeat the purpose of changing this custom, which is what I believe to be the goal of many of those users who blacklist based on "thanks" spam.
Of course, this is a responsibility shared by both the contributor and the entrant, if not the community as a whole. Just as the contributor should take steps to accomplish this goal, such as by providing creative giveaway descriptions and discussion topics; so should the entrant strive to provide more original and thoughtful comments by engaging in whatever discussion topic is set on the giveaway. Naturally, this doesn't prohibit people from thanking the contributor; whenever I comment on a giveaway, I tend to thank the contributor anyway. I only comment if I have something to say other than "thank you", though, so I make sure not to post a hundred different copypasted "thank you" comments.
If I ever come across one of your giveaways, I may not post a "thank you" comment, since I almost never do, unless I have something else to say. I hope you don't take it personally; the appreciation is implied in the entry, and I'd of course thank you if I win. If you'd rather me say thank you, I will try to remember and do so—but at that point, is a comment of gratitude done out of obligation still sincere?
Have a great day.
EDIT: Added screenshot of giveaway since it's restricted and not available for everyone. The second page is only "thank you" comments.
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This is one of the best comments I read about the subject. Whitelisted for insight.
P.S.
I can't access the linked giveaway and don't know if revilheart can. I'm not sure a closed giveaway is the best way to demonstrate the quality of the discussion, but the rest of the text is clear enough.
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This is what I'm trying to avoid because it buries other messages and makes it far harder to have conversations going. I think it's rather rude of people to not respect my wish to not have more relevant messages buried.
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Good point. I think this text should be modified to (1) encourage winners to thank, and (2) encourage all users to only leave non-generic comments, ones that actually mean something.
Do you see value in getting dozens of notifications about practically-identical comments? And for all intent "ty", "tnx" and variants are practically-identical.
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why?
do you on your every day to day life use different words to say thank you? do you blacklist people say thank you on your life just because they said it the same way ? :-)
as i see it, the value of ones thank you isnt the same as the thank you of the second tho its the same words, so why call it "identical"? :-)
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Isn't "Thank yo" and "Thanks" practically identical? Same goes for "ty" and "tnx", both of which are just shortened versions.
And yes, if someone would put an automated thanking machine in my day to day life I wouldn't like it. Thank yous from bots or scripts isn't gratitude, it's laziness. Furthermore, ignoring the giveaway creator's request is inconsiderate.
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let me understand...your all objection is for the bot? some one decided to be more efficient with his time, so his "thanks" is meaningless?
so all the companies,banks,web shops, mails , support etc that use "thank you" / "confirm mail" offend you?
i for example dont use bot, but i do copy paste my "thank you" as i came up with a "thank you" thats fits my believes and needs, is that makes my thanks less valued? just because i copy-pasted it? :-)
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To complete what you wrote - "Someone decided to be more efficient with his time" by sacrificing my time and ignoring my simple and polite request.
If you copy and paste the same thank you while ignoring a polite request not to post comments, then yes, it's not valued. It is seen as inconsiderate.
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how exactly does he "?
" It is seen as inconsiderate" - why? we use the same words, the same gestures, the same motions every day - even you!
so why is it any different? why do you need to re-invent the wheel every time and time?
you do not want comments? by all means i totally agree that giveaway opener should have the option to turn comments off, but thats not mean that simple thank you, even copy paste one or bot typed one - isnt valued, nor does it mean he disrespect you or waste your time.
this site is for people who want to give, and people who wish to except games - a sharing site, i was thought that when you receive something (even just a chance) you say thanks, no one said to write a 5 pages thanks, nor poems or create "new" thank you words.
no one said you have to answer a question or make additional gestures - just plain old simple thanks - as appreciation for the gesture that ahead - which is someone giving you a chance for a game.
you - want more, you ignore the other side ability and good will for saying thank you - and above that you accuse him for wanting to say thank you and for "sacrificing your time".
you, sir should really have some thinking on you behalf.
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if the OP requests to not say it, or 'send some music you like', but the comments are the same old copy paste jobs, dont you think that is a problem? it means the commenters are not reading
what if a giveaway mentions a region issue, since not all regions are available when creating a giveaway, you still end up with the same old replies, such a winner is going to end up not being able to activate
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not necessary, if some one just says thanks instead not answering a question it just means he wish to say thanks,for example i read the description still usually just say thanks.
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If I have a train going and some guy writes "thx" on all of my giveaways, you better believe I'm adding him to the list. If the user is clearly changing up the way he says it, then I have absolutely no problem with that and actually enjoy getting those messages. It's just that laziness really irks me.
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I always read descriptions before entering anything, and also as a matter of course try to put something different in every GA, not always the easiest thing to do, but then the way I see it, why not make a little bit of effort to reward the giver of $5-$50 dollars worth of game. Of course, the sad reality is that even the most thorough and time consuming reply gives actually 0% more chance than the laziest 'run a script to use all 300 points each day' person to win, lol. But then that's what whitelists/groups/invite are for, partly.
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its sooo stupit .... i entered 10 GA in a row and copy/past Thanks ... after 5 min i was blacklistet .... not normal ....
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Did you read the descriptions of these giveaways? Maybe the user doesn't want to see such comments...
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i´m here over 2 years ... no i´m not read every single descriptions ....
but i think ist normal to say thanks for a GA ....
next time i dont say thanks an ged blacklistet for not saying thanks .... yeeea useful :D
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Being here for over 2 years means nothing, really. There are many users that have been here longer than that and still don't know the rules/guidelines.
It's good that you're thankful for the chance to win a game, but I would definitely read the descriptions if you don't want to keep ending up on blacklists. Takes just a couple seconds out of your day and means something to the giveaway creator if you have actually listened.
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that's right :)
but i think blacklsiting for saying thanks is rude :D
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Technically i need to do nothing if i dont want to say thanks ....
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ok and for this you blacklist me ??? wow very nice dude
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for real ??? :D
the only weird is Smaug's Treasure ^^
i was noobie and entered 5 GA´s at same time
i won 3 of them in one night
that's 2 years ago ;)
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Was that the one below my 'attempting to be constructive and helpful' post?
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Am assuming then that it wasn't a 'oh, that's a good idea, thanks' picture meme... :D
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no its says : intelligence not always the key to happiness
that was wrong and i delete it ... sorry
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Well, thanks for the honesty and apology, and no problem, I think everyone posts things that sometimes wish we hadn't sometimes...
But even if you don't agree with the first bit of idea, it is true to say that a lot of the more active givers of things are also active in forum and community, so it's nice to make/have more interaction with them, one way can be by the comments on giveaways. To be honest I am spending more time here than playing games.. what happened I have no idea.. :D
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Instead of spamming gratitude, show your appretiation by reading creator's description. Not so hard.
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that's right to but after reading 7000 times "subscribe my youtube channle" it is a little heavy to read every description ^^
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Just choose the best games, ones you really want to win, not just low points ones to make library bigger, and then it's only about maybe 5-10 giveaways per day to enter, not so hard then to read all descriptions and get a bit more involved with the people behind the giveaways :)
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gratitude, is something a person gives - not asked, its not on your terms, nether your words, its is. :-)
yes it is polite to read description.
yes its also polite to follow it (or partly follow it).
and yes its also polite to say simple "thank you".
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If I see 10 identical "Thanks" in a row I will assume that the person entering is using a bot or script to enter and will blacklist them. Copy-pasting the exact same thing all over the place is not showing gratitude.
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It wouldn't be irritating if the forum and GA comments wouldn't share the same notification pool…
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There's a filter in your inbox though, but I guess that's not what you meant
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I know, but until I click on the notification tab I don't know if it is another generic "thanks" comment or a reply to a forum post.
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Some people think that it's rude not to say thanks, but they can't be asked to write it themselves each time, so they use bots.
Personally, I only say thanks if it was a whitelist giveaway, private group or when I win a giveaway. I'd like to say thanks each time, but I know it's seen as spammy and a lot of people don't like it.
It doesn't bother me though. That's what the 'Mark as read' button is for, so that if I've had a ton of people thanking me for a giveaway, I can just clear them all at once. I only blacklist people for being extremely rude on the forums/regifters/people who receive and activate a game but mark it as 'not-received'.
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You don't always know if you got blacklisted for it.
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i, for example, am from other side. i blacklist people for "not saying thanks or anything" on my giveaways
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I don't blacklist for saying or not saying thanks, but sometimes you see a fake giveaway or a regifter giveaway and some ppl keep spamming thanks, looks like a bot, but i don't blacklist anyways because maybe they are just stupidly copy pasting.
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So that's why I've been blacklisted by you... See, this is a no-win situation.
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Do you blacklist regular entrants (non-winners) for not saying thank you? This sounds like a lot of work, not to mention hitting the 1000 users limit very fast.
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http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/XuAdx/another-userscript-i-want-updated-find-those-leechers#GjPFIfG
i blacklist everyone who didn't comment, just entrants or winners. i rarely do public giveaways, most of mine is private with most users commenting. i use this script in link linked to get list of all non-commenters
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I always commented on your threads though. Is that really the reason why I'm blacklisted?
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i don't remember why i blacklist. not commenting is just the most common reason
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That's very unfortunate. I wish you had posted that on the description. Sorry but I will have to blacklist you too.
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i always post it in description: "Comment or Regret", or more recently "Answer or Regret" with question coming after it
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That wasn't very explicit to me as "comment or you will be blacklisted". I thought it was more of a joke. But still, I commented in most of those, I think.
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well, more cryptic it is, more people to blacklist :D on serious note, what else could you regret when not commenting?
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I didn't think it was that literal, like "you will regret this". Like I said, I thought it was some sort of a joke, but oh well...
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if you warn people in your description, then it's perfectly fine.
i usually don't comment on GAs that don't have a description since i assume the creator didn't want anything in return (aka: a funny gif, a thank you comment or anything else).
if the creator asks something, i always make sure to reply. not out of fear of being blacklisted but because it's polite to do so.
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The answer to this conundrum isn't exact mathematics, one's mileage may vary because some giveaway creators blacklist for not saying thanks whilst other blacklist for saying thanks. it's like flipping a coin...
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Does anyone really blacklist entrants (non-winners) who didn't say thanks?
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Nah, I think he meant the people who doesn't even say thanks after a win. Not sure if related to original topic though.
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Apparently there are people who blacklist everyone who enters without commenting:
http://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/J3LDJZR
Live and learn...
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I do make comments on giveaways, just not needlessly or just because it's forced. Since almost none of the people who dislike notifications doesn't even care to put that up in description, I mostly tend to refrain from posting the "Thanks" beforehand, and it somehow makes sense since majority prefers it this way.
Not to mention a public giveaway would already go over 500 if made longer than 3 hours. I usually go with 1 hour giveaways which easily hit 300 entrants. Do I ask all of them to comment now? And how much time does it take for me to blacklist all of those people, who completely did nothing but refraining from using a feature of the website.
Just check this one out. A public giveaway, typical that I'd usually say my thanks after a win, not when I join, because I think that might disturb them, I don't know for sure. But both seeing the description of the giveaway, and the previous comments, I went and commented, before joining in. Even after I did, I've also then noticed the sale for the game on Steam and was able to fetch it before the sale was off, and also got my points back from entering instead.
So I don't know, this is what is normal for me (Not completely, but for SG way), and I guess I'm alright for the rest of what happens, probably just as long as I know the reason why I'm being blacklisted.
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I admit that i use it when im in work. You know i have just a small break i go on my laptop, do the usual routine: check emails, enter giveaways with easysteamgifts, check other ssites i used to, eat, blah blah blah. When im home like right now i still say usually the same thing like: "Thank you for the chance". I dont know whats wrong about it. I want to spare time but still want to say something about it. When i do a giveaway its always feels good when someone adds a thank you. I dont care if its a script or he/she typed it it feels good to me. And whats the bigger lazyness? Check your notifications or when you enter 10 or more giveaways you type different "meaningful" things that are not thank you comments? Why bother yourself with such tiny problem if this is a problem for you? There are plenty of much bigger problems in life bother with those. And dont release the stress by blacklisting people who want to say thank you for the chance to get something they want for free.
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B-But you didn't include potato! ;c Regardless, some prefer like "They don't EVEN say thanks!" while some others are like "Please don't type in thanks if that's all!!", so... I usually give my thanks IF I win the giveaway, also most of the time when I notice a super-wishlist item, or a rare giveaway being made, which I only do in invite only giveaways, just so it does still spam the creator less.
Still though, I only do it out of courtesy when I feel like, I WANT TO thank you for this, not because I want to type in a word pointlessly. Some people seem to not like even that so I kind of avoid it, most of the time.
Update: Oh, the thread is about bots, well whatever, I don't use them, nor will need them as even, mostly they'd be useless for me either ways. I'm being very picky entering the giveaways, points are less, and the waste is much when I enter a giveaway I'm less likely play. Also there's a quick check-this-game-out I do most of the time, to see if I should just wishlist this game. Then just follow them through wishlist section, simple!
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I'm missing "disable comments" option when creating giveaway
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Okay, I might also like to see this! It should fix the barrier for people who don't like the GA notifications! :)
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A CAPTCHA would be even better. It would ensure that comments are from actual people, not bots or scripts.
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Well, at this point, that's not the issue. People just don't want notifications, whether them be bots or not, which is I think the real problem, but I don't mind the preference. Since people are being blacklisted for "saying thanks", not "using bots".
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I use a generic Thanks/Thank you comment unless the giveaway creator asks for something different. Depending on what they ask for I will then either customize my response to fit (ie cat gif or comment to do with a question asked) or I will not enter and will just move on.
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I typically don't give a thanks except its remarkable. I can understand feeling swamped... my msg bar constantly reads 99+ and i need to get this sorted out. Can't even respond to topics right now.
I do give thanks when i feel its appropiate though. Possibly if i think that too few entrants choose not to say anything. Or if (s)he asked for things. Like for funny pics.
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In the previous version of the site, the number of comments and number of entries was easily visible on user profiles.
Most private groups would use your comment/entry ratio as one measure of your worthiness. If you had 3000 entries but only 100 comments, it meant you weren't saying thanks on your giveaway entries and therefore not welcome in the group, because you're not appreciative of gifters, I suppose.
So, auto-comment tools were created to help people raise/maintain this ratio to make them more attractive to private groups with good giveaways.
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Yes I remember this time, quite some time before I sometimes was scared not to write "Thank you" since I thought that if I won by chance the op wouldn't give me the game. lol
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i just realized that ya avatar there happened to be the same that i've used for my emoticon megaman for my profile (@=
speaking of which i believes the legacy collection will be released tomorrow. Off topic, i knows.
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Thanks for explaining this. It makes perfect sense now, and it also provides perfect justification to request the removal of this feature from the script.
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Your statement that
it's not frowned upon on this site to join a giveaway without saying "Thanks"
is purely subjective, and while some may blacklist people for saying "Thanks", others may blacklist people for not commenting upon entering the giveaway. There's even a script called "Find those leachers" or something along those lines that displays a list of people who didn't comment upon entering.
This website's good manner that turned into a general rule was/is to thank the creator for the chance he provided, not just for the game in case you win it. So I only don't comment if the creator specifically asks for that in the description. Now that the website has notification system in place, I try to be careful to not to spam the giveaway creator if I enter more than one of their giveaways at the same time.
Anyway, can't please everyone, I guess, so I better please those who might ban me if I don't comment than those who might ban me if I do.
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I usually wonder if I should or should not write "Thank you", if I really like the game the creator is giving and if he doesn't say anything in description I usually write it, sadly I'm usually too lazy to do that and my 153 comments prove that :D
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I have no problems with people preferring you don't thank them. The blacklisting and dictating is what goes too far for me. Been blacklisted myself for saying thanks a while ago, not just the word... but in a sentence.
It is now preferable to not say anything at all except for when you win, which I find sad and it ends up hurting more people than bots. How a silly feature can ruin some things.
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It doesn't bother me either way if someone says thanks or not, I'll always say there's no need for any thanks but still get them when I do a giveaway. It's appreciated people sayin thanks but I wouldn't blacklist anyone for doing so, afterall they are only be polite. :D
I rarely say thanks when joining a giveaway just because of not knowing how someone feels about getting spammed with thanks. I used to say it on everyone when I first came here but learned some didn't like it so now I'll say thanks if I win and when I've received the game.
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In short: purpose is to fake a grateful user, while automatically mass-entering GAs without giving a frak to GA description / creator. See Bobo's post :)
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Pretty sure one of the more popular scripts used a random variation on thanks each time.
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I hope I wasn't blacklisted for it, I don't use a script, I write random thanks synonyms with my own hand. And how would we know if we are blacklisted? Now I feel paranoid.
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There is a big green 'Mark as read' button can slove your problem.
Blacklist is for real trouble maker.
For me, best way to "say thanks" is active the gift and "mark as received" ASAP.
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I believe it's gifter's responsibility to specify he/she wants or does not want thanks in GA description.
If not specified, the gifter IMHO looses his/her standpoint to blacklist for either commenting or not.
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i wouldn't blacklist users for saying thanks or any other variation. but i find it completely annoying to see the same exact message posted 20 times in a day by the same person in every GA.
*"thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks for being f*** awesome!" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks" "thanks"
what's the point?
once you start to copy/paste that message, the true meaning is lost. it's a completely hollow reply.
and let's also mention the use of bots to join giveaways, or people using scripts that add an ENTER button so they don't even need to open the giveaway and read the description!
i'm gonna start blacklisting those users soon, and the sad part is... they are all over lv5-6. it's not a problem with leeches, it's just a bad attitude to have in sg, 100% rude.
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"May your day be just peachy, and your swag level be over 9000."
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It's not frowned upon on this site to join a giveaway without saying "Thanks", so no need to add it to every giveaway one enters. At the same time it annoys many giveaway creators to get endless notifications with generic comments, so much so that many add the commenter to their blacklist. All in all, this is a clear case of all pain, no gain.
I added a request on easy-sg forum to remove this option. I hope they listen.
No obligatory (or otherwise) giveaway here, but this one is still going. However, for some odd reason it seems people are cautious to enter it ;-) Edit: Ended
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