Which build is better
The games you listed are mostly open world. I suggest getting the one with 4 GB VRAM and you will be able to run most games on high settings, if not ultra high.
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Yeah open world games are the ones I really like. I forgot to mention a few others, but I think I will go for it. If I could run the games on anything above Very Low I'm sure it's a great upgrade since I have everything on the lowest and most games (Not including the ones above) barely hit 20-30. As long as I can get a higher framerate that's what I'm mostly aiming for.
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You can definitely get around 50-60 fps with Build C on 1k resolution. It's also more upgrade friendly in case you want to swap some part later. So it really sounds like a very good upgrade.
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Yeah I think Build C is definitely what I"m going to go with. I might upgrade to a better CPU later on down the road, but for now I think this is what's best for me.
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Don't get why you're using it, but I do love the reference. I forgot CS:GO would be one game I would be hoping to play with the build though.
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Too tired to post a better meme, but I liked it and was funny to me. And yeah, the more RAM in your GPU, the better performance you'll get, plus, the value with newer games will be higher than the 2GB version. It's worth paying a little more.
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I still enjoyed it so I can't imagine what you would have posted if you weren't too tired. Thank you for the input. I'm hoping to at least buy the case sometime this week when I get paid and just buying everything else as it comes along with the CPU and GPU being last.
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definetly go with 4gig Vram. consider gettign a "bigger" CPU as well. Im currently running on a i5 6500 (skylake) and its a bottleneck already. (ok, BF1 is demanding...^^)
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I might go for it, but as I said in the post $550 is my budget and getting the 4GB VRAM card will put it at $548 so I'll have to just wait a bit before getting a "bigger" CPU to buff it up (as well as other storage options and possibly a higher end GPU, but for now I just need a better build.
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Anything is an option. I'm taking any alteration since I don't really know much about builds and what cards are stronger than what or where certain cards rank.
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in my humble opinion, in these realms of graphics it is just a decision of heart, weather you prefer nvidia or amd.
For me i always got an amd gpu since my first build and it never failed me, so i sticked to it.
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RX 470 is stronger than 1050 ti, and it has 4GB and 8GB version, there's no much difference in performance with 8GB version, so stick to 4GB and enjoy 1080 gaming with ultra setting with 60+ in the games u mentioned. and u will need 16 GB of RAM for upcoming games.
i have an R9 280X toxic now, but if i want to upgrade, i will go to rx 470 or rx 480, but tbh i'm waiting for their Vega GPUs, and i'm sure they are going to rock.
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I'll look up to see the price of the RX 470 and see how it is and than if all goes well I'll probably look into getting another 8GB of RAM next year or so. (Saving money is a bit of a pain and the budget I've set up is basically the cash set aside from almost 2 years of saving.)
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good but if u want to buy from AMD never go around ASUS, and GIGABYTE cards has Coil Whine issues from their cooler, so it's better avoid them too:) always go for Sapphire or MSI, if it was for me i wud definitely buy an MSI card, it has highest clock and super amazing cooling system of Twin Frozer VI.
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don't get the Reference sapphire it's fans are noisy in load and they are hot , get the Sapphire Nitro + ones with an 8 pin power connector or MSI cards.
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yup that's the right one and MSI RX470 Gamin X has the same Price, you can go for it too:)
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I recently bought the 4 GB Sapphire RX 470 Nitro. Related threads:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/dBcWx/how-do-you-benchmark-your-gpu-update-now-with-chart
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Faj9Z/things-i-learned-benchmarking-my-pcs-tldr-crossfire-is-an-awesome-upgrade-faster-cpu-not-so-much
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Then try to look for an RX 470. If you can afford a 8 GB version, then go for that. It can serve as your GPU for at least 3 years without substantial worries about performance.
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A H110 chipset is not meant for gaming, it is meant for the cheapest office machines.
Similar can go for the CPU, but the Skylake CPUs at least are not complete ass when it comes to hyper-threading and gaming. Still, consider a Pentium of the same series instead, the Core series is still painfully overpriced, enjoying their market monopoly until AMD finally releases their new line.
Isn't an AMD R3 SSD a bit cheaper? They are based on OCZ's chips, so they are pretty good.
The GTX 1050 is a pretty weak card for anything, but if you really cannot get a normal one, then at least have 4 GB of VRAM.
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If you can recommend a better MOBO I'm more than welcome to see it. I am planning on having this build for a bit so I do want to make sure things are good.
Also I'll have to look up the AMD R3 SSD. I originally didn't want an SSD, but my friend kept telling me to and suggested that one.
Also I know the GTX 1050 is pretty weak (In comparison to the 1080 or the Titan and the latest AMD one) but it's something that I'm hoping will be a upgrade from what I have.
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Anything with a H170, B150, H270, or B250 in its name. My preference is ASRock, but any ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte board should suffice. As long as it has the connectors you need, it should be good to go. Since you are obviously on a budget build, I would not recommend enthusiast level Z170 or Z270 boards.
An SSD for system disk is a must. 120 GB is plenty enough for the OS and the basic programs, the rest can be used for games.
Still, if you can get enough money for an RX 470, get that one instead. It should last longer, on top of being more powerful.
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Maybe a very low budget gamer. It doesn't even have 3.0 PCIE lanes, only 6×2.0 ones. It only supports 2×1 RAM sticks, so no memory expansions, and 4 SATA controllers for limited storage space. Yes, you can build an initial system with it, but that's it, you essentially have limited to no room to expand it later, just replace it as a whole.
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I went with this Mobo https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VM2rxr/gigabyte-ga-b250m-ds3h-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-ga-b250m-ds3h and it looks like it supports up to 64GB of RAM so that will be pretty useful for me when I want to upgrade my RAM.
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Nice pick. It is cheap but it still offers you some room to expand. If M.2 SSDs get cheap enough, you can even add a second SSD to it and store some of the slower-loading games on the old one.
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I'm not an expert on hardware - but I bought myself a 4GB 1050 Ti for Christmas (mine isn't the MSI version though) and it has run everything I've tried on maximum settings. Mostly Skyrim Special Edition so far to be fair...
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skyrim: se is a pretty good gpu intense game to test with though. ^^
harsher then FO4 anyways (at least atm)
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Yeah, that's why I thought I'd mention it. If it can do that it should manage the other stuff you mentioned. I had to turn down shadows and god rays a little to get a smooth frame rate - but otherwise I'm at ultra on 1080 HD without problems, and my CPU is (maybe) worse than the one in your build.
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Lol that wasn't me, but I do have Skyrim SE and I might add the third build (or rather the build with the edits from this thread) since I'm actually pretty psyched about this all
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That CPU is going to cripple whatever PC you buy. Dual core CPU's, even the very best are not going to run many games post 2016 very well.
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The CPU will probably be upgraded down the road, but for now it's what I plan on getting.
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Pentium G4560! That's a $65 CPU that has about the same performance as the i3-6100. A cheap B250 motherboard won't cost much more than the H110 one you picked, and you'll save about $35 which you could put into a better card.
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The 1050 ti is a pretty good card for the price, had mine about 3 months and not had any trouble
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Yeah someone else recommended that CPU and after some other recommendations I edited it (and I also included the 470 you recommended) and I Got this build
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Now is much better but I recommend to buy the rx 470 not reference, one of the custom from msi/asus/xfx/powercolor
Like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7wkwrH/msi-radeon-rx-470-4gb-armor-oc-video-card-radeon-rx-470-armor-4g-oc
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I actually changed the GPU just a few seconds ago due to someone saying the Reference one runs hot and loud so I changed it to be http://pcpartpicker.com/product/p28H99/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-4gb-nitro-video-card-11256-01 that GPU instead.
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The nitro cards are not the best, get the msi rx 470 gaming x that is the best one ;)
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yup i agree too, msi rx 470 gaming x is the best one! you can watch some videos on YouTube to confirm it and see how much cool is that card:)
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Alright I decided to switch it out to the MSI one you linked and price is just below my budget. I might try to invest in a better CPU so that I won't have to worry about it being bottlenecked.
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yup definitely change the CPU since open-world games u want to play are CPU demanding too. a Pentium wud definitely bottleneck your GPU.
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you can do much better imo...
maybe try taking the $600 option in this link and edit it to your liking? https://elitegamingcomputers.com/good-cheap-gaming-computers/
edit: whoever voted "Option A" should be shot! :P
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Lol. I actually got this build from the Console Crusher build on /r/PCmasterrace since it was in my price range, but thanks to others on here I've actually edited it QUITE a bit and I'm still saving a bit of money so that I could change and make a 3rd build with a better Mobo, CPU, and GPU for just a few dollars more.
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ahh yeah, option C is much much better.. only thing on that one i'd maybe change is the sandisk ssd if you can find a close ocz or samsung equivalent.
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I tried looking one up, but it seems the ones that PCPartPicker show are just more expensive for the same size.
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yeah, they will be. that'll work just fine though and certainly better than no ssd at all. but if you find you have the extra $30 to spend i'd try to go with a samsung 850 evo 240GB. that way you'll have room for the os and a couple of your more intense games, and the best speeds you can have really.
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I might put aside the extra 30 for it than since double the space would be pretty cool. Idk what I would use the SSD for besides the OS (for better boot speeds)
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really large open world games would run a little smoother if installed on ssd. or just any game that has frequent loading menus.
it won't actually help with performance really, but it can help cut down some time in loading screens or loading assets while in a large open world game.
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Totally agree, the $600 option is a better investment.
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I don't consider Rebates since I don't fully know how they work or how to get it to work, but I was looking at http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Hz648d/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-4gb-video-card-11256-00 that RX470
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The 470 I linked to is slightly cheaper. As for rebates, I don't have a lot of experience with them, but the general idea is that you fill a form to tell the company (MSI in this case) that you bought their product, and get $15 back by mail, a few months later.
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I found an ASUS card which is around the same price. As for rebates idk if I could do it since I plan on moving in a month or two (once I've gotten the parts) so idk if I'll get the rebate.
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Agreed, try to mkake the effort to get an RX470 instead of a GTX 1050. It's 30 dollars.
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Yeah I added the third build since with some additions I managed to get the price down enough to get the Sapphire one with Nitro+ since someone ITT said it's a quieter one that won't run as hot and will be a better performance piece.
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How much different is the performance though (I'm asking since that card will bring down the price to under my budget which is good) in comparison between the two cards.
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-Almost all games requires a Quad Core to run properly.
(Better go to Youtube Budget Gaming PC to build a decent rig)
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I will look up Quad Cores and see how much it will add to the price since I want, but the one I have in my laptop is a quad core so I might want to keep that since I don't want to feel like I'm downgrading anything since I want to be able to run games not lose access to games I already can play.
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Watch this, you get this exact performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dichjs9HXTg
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Dang. Just that opening has me excited since I never once thought I could run Battlefield 1 (I enjoyed playing it on PS4) so I can't imagine how much more fun I'll have actually playing it with a M+KB.
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I was excited since the video boasted it was under $400, but I guess he either got some good deals or something happened since I did the math and it came up to $550 (Without including shipping costs) but that's because I upgraded the GPU to get that better performance.
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I wouldn't go anywhere below an i3 and 1050ti. See if you can squeeze an i5 in there, and the 3GB 1060 (and by squeeze I mean enlarge your budget).
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I changed my build a bit and enlarging my budget is a pretty hard thing since this is what I've been saving up for the last 2 years (That's why it's $550) so the changes I made change the GPU to a 4GB one and a better Mobo with more RAM support.
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Then the i3 and 1050ti combo is probably the one to go with, you want some serious gaming based on your examples and you definitely need at least the i3, the dual core option won't do for every game.
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I'll see what I can do since my friend recommended getting an I3 as well and the video showed a bit of better performance, but for now I'll stick with the pentium until I save up for the i3 and another SSD.
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The i3 has 4 threads and they will make a difference in the long run, I'd rather you get that now and the SSD later, it's easier to add a SSD than to replace a CPU and sell the old one.
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I think I'll go for it. My next check should have my raise in effect so if it does I'll shell out the extra $40 for a better CPU.
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If he could enlarge that budget, he would do so in the first place. Do you really thing people don't want to get something better or better performance/$?
If someone has a fixed budget you better recommend him hardware for that SPECIFIC budget or +- a couple bucks. You are asking him to spend like what, 200$ more? To tell him what? That he can get a better performance with those extra $? You don't say...
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More often than not people end up buying better than planned based on advice, the budget is rarely set in stone. And in case it is set, I did start my comment with the combo I'd go with out of his options. Everyone wants to be a smartass on the Internet...
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You give an advice of what you would personally do, yet you barely take into account what he is willing to do. There is a chance you would never buy a build below 1500$ (for instance), does that mean you would jump around threads recommending everyone to do the same? When suggesting you should first take into consideration what that person is interested in and base your preference on that.
I am saying all these because suggestions have impact on the buyers final options, whether that's our intention or not.
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I did exactly that, I took into consideration what he's interested in playing and the bottom of the barrel dual core won't cut it for everything, so I told him what I'd go with from his own picks. You're creating a problem that isn't there.
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I'm not quite sure what are the prices in your country but it might be difficult to build good enough PC to run those games smoothly. I might as well be completely wrong though.
I am not that good at making builds and making choices overall so I can't help You here :(
Thank You for the train as well!
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Well I can't run them now so even getting them to 30 FPS (at lowest settings) would be more than enough for me since I'm really used to playing all the games looking like they were made in the 90's.
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i recommended the rx 480 4 gb you can found under 200$
and try to buy an other cpu, the i3 is entry level, just for business(its no good for gaming)- the amd are cheap but powerfull(for ex. the fx 6300)
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Why would you possibly go with that antique FX over a new quad thread i3? It's perfectly fine for gaming.
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First of all, get anything else but a H110 chipset motherboard.
The H110 doesn't have the latest pci-e 3.0 standard slot for the GFX-card, so you won't get everything out of your card.
Second of all, get 2x4gb of ram instead of one 8gb stick, so you'll get the benefits of dual channel.
Third of all, your budget is very limited to really build even a semi-decent gaming machine.
It would be much easier to fit one within your budget if you already had stuff you could reuse from a previous build, like a PSU and SSD, but sadly you don't.
Gimme a sec, I'll try and calculate some sort of a setup :D
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I'll look into getting dual 4GB ram, but I might look into getting another 8GB RAM stick to allow for Dual Channeling while having 16GB of RAM.
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I just picked you a system that is actually very decent.
It goes above the budget by $43, but I wouldn't go anything lower than this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KDZmWX
I guess if you really can't go over at all, you can get an RX 470 or 1050 Ti instead of the RX 480, but the RX 480 is the best bang for buck atm.
I left out the HDD altogether. You can get more space when you have more money.
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It seems really good, but since I don't know how long it would take for me to get the money to get some more storage I think I'll probably have to stick with Build C.
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Or you learn to live with it? :P
What do you need the storage for anyways?
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Well I would need the storage for games since that's the main reason I want to upgrade and I don't want to cannibalize my laptop for storage since I do plan on still using it for Work and storing movies and music.
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Well you don't want your games on an HDD anyways.
HDD are stone-age technology at this point basically and slow as hell.
120gb is enough for installing OS, programs and a few games.
You can just install the few games you play at that moment and uninstall them when you go to the next one.
I just used a 180gb SSD for a couple of years, had maybe 4-5 games installed at one time.
When I wanted to play a new game, I'd just uninstall one that I didn't play anymore.
Your savefiles will still be there, you can just install the games again if you wanna go back to them.
I'd much rather learn to live with less storage than go for a turd CPU, instead of a CPU that can actually be good for a few years.
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I"ve already learned to live with being Low End so that's no big deal. One day I"m sure I'll have a beast of a build, but for now I just need something that will run games better than what I have.
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Well I'm just trying to give you the "best bang for your buck".
I strongly recommend putting more money in the CPU, because that's basically the heart of your machine, and it's much simpler to just upgrade the parts around it later.
For example, I've had the same CPU for almost 6 years, I've just upgraded the GFX-card once and my build is still decent and the CPU is not a bottleneck.
With the parts I picked you can actually play new AAA-games with high+ settings (1080p) and it will still be an ok system a couple of years down the road and you won't need to update any parts for a long time.
Also, do you really wanna cut a huge chunk from the performance of your machine just so you can have the convenience of having 20 games installed at the same time instead of 5?
At the most I'd suggest switching the RX 480 I picked for an RX 470 and putting the extra $20 towards a bigger SSD, but I wouldn't even consider an HDD.
Or I guess if you wanna get closer to your budget go for a 1050Ti, but the RX 470 and 480 are the best bang for buck at the moment.
In either case, I'd wait for 4 weeks until the new AMD Ryzens come out and maybe you can get even more value out of them.
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I appreciate your help. I might go off and get every other part for now and if i can save up enough for the I3 I'll bump up to it so that I can get some better performance.
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Nah, i3 is just as useless in the long run as a Pentium, which is why I picked the i5.
Sure, you'd preferably get a better i5, but at least any current generation i5 has 4 cores.
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Skip the i3 and save some money with the G4560, they both have HT (2C/4T), similar speeds and only thing you lose really on the new pentium is some avx instructions which will have very little effect for gaming. For the gpu(s) in your budget range, the pentium will be more than enough to max them out for 1080p gaming (as shown in some of those hardware unboxed youtube videos).
For the videocard its hard to beat the value of the rx470, in addition to pcpartpicker check slickdeals.net to watch for sales you may even be able to get an rx480 for similar prices to the rx470.
Also if youve never used jet.com they have a coupon you can use for 15% off first 3 orders, and they carry the G4560 for about same price as amazon $62~ so be sure to check some of your parts there to see if you can reduce your cost a bit more (you can split parts between 3 orders to fully make use of the coupon, it maxes out at $30 discount per order).
As far as ram goes if you watch slickdeals or get frys or newegg promo emails you can sometimes get a 16gb kit (2x8gb) for around $70-80 which is only 20-30 more than your single stick you have listed on pcpartpicker and take advantage of the dual channel bandwith plus have some room for browser tabs, or music app, or voice chat etc while you game. Some AAA games are starting to require 8gb minimum so the extra ram could be useful, plus the more ram you have the less your ssd will use swap file less so less writes means ssd will last longer. Plus if you like to add mods to your games, mods love to eat up ram (ie minecraft, etc).
Beyond that I'd recommend getting at least a 550~650w psu. You should be able to get a corsair or evga deal for close to the same price of the 450w you have listed in pcpartpicker. While your build may not go over 450w, psu are more efficient while not at max load and it gives you a little room if you decide to upgrade or add to your system later. The evga 600B is almost same price as the 450w version ($50 at b/h and superbiz except no rebate).
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I think PCpartpicker is saying it will only be 260 W of power so I thought 450 would be enough. I'll look up prices and see if I can get another Stick of RAM and a better PSU.
I keep seeing Modular of Semi and Full so looking it up makes think having one will allow for better cable management, but since I can't find one I bumped up to the 600 one you recommended (the EVGA 600B)
As for the RAM I'll have to wait a bit before upgrading.
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build a/b was ~225w but build c was 375w
so 450w would be fine with 1050ti from those first 2 builds but if you go rx470/480 you might want to have the extra watts
i'll agree if you can get a semi/full modular psu go for it they are awesome for cable management but usually a bit pricier
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Since G4560 the Pentium is now introduced with HT, there is not much difference to an i3. I'd go for Build C.
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That's what I am really leaning on since after seeing this video I'm actually very excited since it was all pretty good performance and everything for the price and I won't have to deal with low graphic settings and low FPS for much longer.
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And the Pentium is so cheap it does not hurt to upgrade to an i5 in two or three years and throw the pentium away.
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Yeah after seeing the performance in the video I would want to upgrade to an i5 down the road and honestly it amazed me how well I could run games WHILE still building a PC that's under 2k (I was under the assumption that was the only way to play games and make them look and run beautifully.)
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once upgraded you'll feel like you went from looking at an ugly slideshow to a vivid aquarium wish fishes peacefully swimming in it
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Ugly Slideshow accurately describes my experience with ARK on my laptop. Though I'm excited for the build and will probably start ordering everything this weekend.
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116 degrees on damn idle? WTF :D
I would never get that laptop anywhere near my laps.
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I have the laptop on a desk (sort of) the strange thing is that the laptop doesn't feel hot, but my old one would run about 10-29 degrees colder and would feel hot as hell.
Also I say idle, but CPU temps don't seem to change even when I play ARK or any main games.
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It has to do with how the heat dissipates and that's a crucial part of what the final design of a laptop ends up being.
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Speccy isnt the best program to use as it has known bugs for some cpus... try realTemp or coretemp and monitor the results. 120c is way to hot.
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Because it is obviously a false reading. AMD CPUs stop working around 80 °C, but their usual threshold is around 60-70. Even Intels shut down around 105-110.
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i was kinda thinking they got the laptop and the stoves burner confused with one another. ^^
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G4560 is enough. 120GB SSD would be too few for you. You should get more. Believe me.
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EDIT Deciding to go with Build C since it seems the best and the video that was linked ITT really made me happy since it shows really good performance all around and it is definitely within my price range. Thank you if you helped me out here and even if not I hope you enjoy the train.
Hello SG you may or may not know me, but recently I decided to do my first build so that I could play games at a higher framerate than what I play now. Quick Speccy of my laptop for reference PS I know my CPU Temp is pretty high when Idle that's why I also want to build my first PC. (Also since it doesn't show the laptop shows the Video Card as a R6 series (Just putting it out there since I don't know how strong it is in comparison to the other two I'm going to post and hope someone better than me could help.)
So after some time of browsing I decided to set a budget of $550 aside for the build and did some research and even went on some other sites, but I wasn't sure which of these builds would be better (Other suggestions are always welcomed)
The two builds are Similar, but I was wondering if it's really worth it so I was here to ask for help.
Build A
Build B
Build C (This is the one from all the recommendations in it, but I can't change the poll to add it in.)
Build A was my first build idea, but since I keep hearing that a 2GB VRAM is a terrible choice for a GPU (by today's standards) so I thought about upgrading to the 1050Ti with 4GB of VRAM to help.
For reference of what games I'll be playing would be
Xcom 2
Total Warhammer
Mad Max
Fallout 4 (Once I get it on sale)
Shadow of Mordor
Alan Wake
and a few others, but those are the main ones I want to play, but can't really run that well on my current set up.
Any help is greatly appreciated and to compensate time (or for those who would only click for giveaways) Have a giveaway train
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