Discussion about Corona in a serious way. [WHO: Coronavirus is now a pandemic]

Then it's a very rough and unsophisticated model, because as I know - and I know, my sister lives in Germany for 5 years - Germans live in small towns and seldom travel to other towns, if outbreak in some town happens it does not mean the nearby town will be infected, because this model does not include quarantines and other contamination methods that will be introduced for sure, and surely it will work, because Germans are law abiding people and follow the rules. I don't think that spreading fear is a good strategy, I don't understand why Merkel thinks that fear is needed right now. Probably strict travel limitations are to be introduced soon and she thinks she is preparing the nation this way.

tl;dr: 2/3 is bs.

Come on.
My links that i posted show that i have my infos from real sources (as example the Robert Koch Institut) and not from Twitter rumors.

The problem is there is conflicting information because people take twitter as fact...

This would be ludicrous were it not true. We live in the Age of Confusion, and Twitter is one reason why.

I honestly prefer to stay away from newspapers and other media. I gave up on them long ago since they tend to chase story more than facts.

Its really frustrating how much disinformation is going around because of that.

People comparing reported cases COVID-19 mortality, to overall seasonal flu mortality (where the latter is supposed to include all cases, not just reported ones somehow)

But killing off 100-150 times more people in Germany than died in China so far seems really far fetched for me.

I'm just copypasting links.
Here, it just happened again
They even talk about the research you just linked.

I understand. I have a few medical problems myself and had to cancel some in hospital tests for the time being. Not going near medical facilities unless I have to for the next month or however long it takes for the infection spike to be over. (The hospital I was scheduled for just had a case of what turned out to be Covid-19 that they were treating as seasonal flu - result 40+ health care workers exposed.) Hopefully, it will only be a month or two before you can reschedule your operations. And some good news today (for a change) - it seems they are closer to a viable treatment for Covid-19 https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/488321-japanese-flu-drug-reportedly-shows-promised, which if it's ready soon might make you feel a little safer about your treatments.

3,9million km away. That will be still pretty far away. Asteroid Apophis will be 31200km (+/- 700km) away from Earth, which will come on 13th April, Friday, 2029.

Universities closed in Latvia as well. I did go in today to create assisting video material for lecturers so they can do distance learning. But from today all the personal has to work from home.

But same as you - due to legal stuff kindergartens where left open and it was just suggested not to bring kids there and parents had to sign a document that they have not been in contact with infected or abroad... But of course that failed miserably. Just today there were news of one dumb ass women who came from vacation in one of the infected countries and without warning anyone she just brought her kid to kindergarten and he was infected of course. I didnt understand whether there were 11 new cases just from that case, but all in all people seem to be too stupid for such honor systems to work. we have jumped from 30 to 60 over weekend and looks like that wont stop due to people still ignoring this..

They are not my numbers in any way nor do I trust the Chinese government about anything. So you do have more accurate numbers than the healthcare professionals of the world or what was your point?

All this has been known right from the start, but it has been other people who spread panic instead of just calmly looking at actual numbers. Smoking is a self-inflicted sickness done mainly by poor and stupid people. There is no higher risk of death if the only people dying are in the high risk groups. There is just a risk of death for them and risk of a regular flu for everyone else.

I don't have to take everything into account when I'm not the one providing any numbers, just pointing out what the differences in numbers illustrates. You didn't take a lot of things into account either and tried to prove me somehow wrong with just an obvious one. Differences in healthcare don't explain the % of people requiring healthcare to begin with for example. If most just sit home with a flu for a week or two, then they aren't dying from it or requiring any healthcare services. But if a much higher % get serious symptoms in one place than another, it illustrates the differences between those places.

So instead of accepting the fact provided by healthcare professionals in many civilized countries that it mainly kills smokers and other sick people, you're trying to argue against it on a forum to increase mass panic of everyone dying from it or whatever was your point? Reading any news from social media sounds about as stupid as smoking, so I recommend stop doing both.

Yes, that's what I always think as well, when thousands of people die from a flu, nobody cares, when who knows how many people die from other stuff usually people don't care but now people die from this, why would they care now? If they never cared before, high chance they don't care now either, people usually start caring when something get close, so when they are a relative of them gets sick bad or whatever, THEN they might start caring, else? doubt it!

850 in Italy. But yeah people only wake up if it's something new and novel they can have either irrational fear of or irrational bravery against. Below are annual deaths for some diseases that nobody panics about any more. SARS v2 has mainly killed very old and sick people thus far who could have died at any point for any other reason and thus didn't have that long to live even without it. Like one doctor said, they are dying of old age and an assortment of ailments while also having corona. Meanwhile many of these others can kill kids easily as well. Not to forget the leading reason of death, 3.1 million kids dying from it and 165 million getting serious health problems, malnutrition.

Tuberculosis 1.3M
HIV 770k
Influenza 650k
Pneumocockus 500k
Malaria 405k
Rota 200k
Noro 200k
Shigella 200k
RS 200k

As mentioned, no, just in Italy alone.

There were a lot more than 850 worldwide yesterday. It was near enough to that in Italy alone. =(

Lol. It's like in Moscow gatherings of 50+ people are banned but the subway still works.

That is to be expected, not that it doesn't suck but with so many sick people, you will eventually have to make sacrifices and people in the groups that has had the least chance of surviving or who have not many years left in front of them are the people who will be left behind first, to be able to safe the rest.

I hope that's not true. I'm aware they have had to practice some triage due to limited equipment, but there's no reason not to try to save someone of any age if there's a good chance of recovery.
This wouldn't be the first time The Jerusalem Post has stirred the pot based on limited information and I've yet to find a reliable news source that has verified this.

As mentioned above, it's herd immunity that we're looking for.

An individual can get infected once. The illness takes its course and, if they survive, they are immune. At the start of the year, nobody was immune and that is why it's spread so quickly.

While bacterial or parasitical infections can be proactively treated with antimicrobial agents like penicillin (multiresistant strains being an exception), viruses are more difficult to target and the most consistent treatment strategy is a prepped immune system (ie. vaccines or having been infected previously).

There is no "eliminating the virus completely". A vaccine will take the good part of a year to test. By then, most of our population will have already been infected and will now be immune. The only course of action we really have is to become infected, but slow the pace so that hospitals aren't overwhelmed and the highest possible percentage of people survive to immunity. When the vaccine does come out, its purpose will be to increase our herd immunity from maybe 70% up to ~90% (numbers out of my ass, depends on the nation's health infrastructure and how well people stick to quarantine measures) and, if the strain persists, to immunise future generations as the polio/rubella/tetanus vaccinations do.

Check out digitaldictator's link a few posts below. It's a long technical article that I think explains it very well.

What I left out of my synopsis of the plan is testing. If we bring the infection rate way down by all this lockdown stuff, then we have to test extensively. That way, new outbreaks can be contained quickly and avoid other big spikes of infection.

Yes. In principle. But before that, depending on the number of infections, there may be need of lockdowns. The bottleneck (in my country) seems to be lab capacity to do all the tests. And the tests that can be faster don´t seem to be as accurate, well, maybe they don´t have to be 100%, just "good enough". But they should probably be better than this: Early CDC tests couldn't distinguish between the coronavirus and water

I could use a dark humor and say something about "test on being civilized", but it's inhumane and not actually funny, and you're the mod (that banned me earlier)... In time all will be fixed. Few get the new information from free pre-print articles, then some spread it on different media, then many tell about new insights to their friends and family members (we're here), and then the masses need a simple thing - verification from TV, in a couple of days they will get it from some morning TV show. Seriously, I am fascinated by the joint effort of the world to overcome the challenge. A little bit overreacting, maybe, but it's a good stress training for the future.

I find it irresponsible, but at the same time it was because of late responses that this became a pandemic that spread around the world so I'm not exactly surprised, just worried.

good to know you are still ok. If medical face masks are depleted, maybe you can try making your own from cloth or a scarf to cover your mouth and nose. It can be washed and used multiple time. and is far better than no protection. Wish you all the best from Vietnam